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This is what the criminals at Alberta Health Services have been doing all along. Friggin lying thru the teeth about all the numbers , the retard from the east is clueless as usual.

That's strange, Rick. I don't have a blog. I have a website. I don't talk about COVID or authorities of any kind there. I haven't told anyone to get vaccinated. It's www.303british.com .

Let's look at this thread. Here's my first post.



I was sad that Alberta was having a bad time with COVID. I never suggested that anyone get their shots in this thread. I just posted CBC and Alberta government website info. Most of it is statistics for the number of cases, deaths, etc.

It might be hard for some to accept, but Ottawa expects potential visitors to Canada to have their shots. Some folks have had their trips cancelled because of COVID. It's too bad, but those decisions are far above my pay grade.

But the people who responded were, for the most part, troublemakers. They don't post about hunting, fishing, shooting, etc. They post to stir the pot. They insult and berate. The same as the immature kids in a schoolyard. Some are angry that the government, where they work, etc. are forcing them to get vaccinated. They're angry, and they feel they have to lash out. Hey, I've got big shoulders.

Davy, he's recycled himself as someone else, suggested that a few guys come over here and cause trouble. Fine. They aren't bothering me. They shouldn't bother you either. The fact is, you are doing it too. I guess you want to hang with the cool kids. Post something hunting related. Or that has to do with Canada. After all, this is the Canada section.

If you enjoy making silly posts, have at it. It's the Internets.

Lots of “nice enough” people are willing to do some pretty nasty things once they are made uncomfortable or start to succumb to fear.

Steve is the personality type that would tell his govt that the neighbor is hiding a 14 year old jewish girl in their attic. Everyfracist govt needs its nice people/useful idiots to maintain control.

Thanks, both of you, for proving my point, yet again.

Sorry for calling your website a blog. I guess I meant to say too willing to believe government disseminated propaganda. Here in the US we are inundated with it and it seems like the CBC and the Alberta government put out the same propaganda disguised as information.

Rick, I read quite a bit. When I read differing points of view, they have to be convincing for me to change my mind. They have to offer a believable POV, backed with evidence. Nothing that I've seen so far has made me change my mind about Health Canada's views on COVID, or the treatments they suggest.

WRT COVID, I trust most doctors and scientists who studied and work in related fields. I also respect someone who is adaptable and open to changes in procedure. The example I use most often is Theresa Tam. She is Canada's chief public health officer. When COVID first appeared, she said that masks would not help the public and that there was no point wearing them. A short while later, in consultation with other doctors, she changed her position. She said that wearing masks was a good idea.

As a doctor, Tam is open to change. If she is to be trusted, change will be part of the mix.

WRT COVID, since I am not an infectious disease specialist, I will trust those who are, unless they give me a reason to stop. I will not listen to anyone who insults, swears or attempts to bully me into changing my mind. I go to a doctor for medical issues, not a barber or a truck driver. I do not believe any of the myriad conspiracy theories floating on the Internet.

I suspect that we will see more dissenters like the ones who posted above. They add nothing to any conversation. They enjoy bad mouthing or insulting others. It seems to give them pleasure.

You might have a different opinion, and I respect that. I appreciate that you chose not to name call or insult in an effort to convince me to change my mind.

That's exactly what most object too. They change the rules as they go as information is received. Nothing wrong with that but they should state they don't know all the facts and that approaches may change, They should qualify that their press releases and protocol initiatives may not be correct and could possibly be totally wrong and may exacerbate the problem. They should be open and honest and tell us they really don't know what they are doing, take gov't suggestions with a grain of salt and recognize them for what they are worth. Instead they make blanket statements of their opinions present them as facts in media releases getting it wrong as often as not. Then they wonder why people don't listen as they have created a credibility quagmire. People are tired of it and have tuned them out

One attribute of a credible scientist is that they are very cautious about making claims of fact and truth unless they are 100% sure. The medical “scientists” our governments have put in positions of authority are clearly not all that credible.

I would agree with that in a general sense, but there are situations where immediate action must be taken.

I believe that the medical community was under the gun - from COVID, the public and the government. They were expected to act quickly. A consensus was reached as to what should happen. Initially, there was no vaccine, they didn't know how it was transmitted and had a minimal understanding of COVID-19. They acted according to their training, making modifications as they went.

We don't know who was consulted or what was discussed. We only knew that infectious disease specialists and other individuals were dealing with it. With every pandemic, there is an after action report. There will be lessons learned.

I have actually taken graduate level immunology, cell physiology, microbiology, biochemistry, virology and a few credits shy of a minor in psychology. Just as importantly I have been a student of world history and a cursory history of medicine. The instant natural immunity was considered irrelevant the establishment leading the charge against this virus showed their hand, it was no longer about science.
You seem to have a pretty good grasp on the numbers, and in spite of this you wholeheartedly promote vaccine passports. You value unattainable levels of imagined safety over civil liberty. I’ll call it like I see it all day. It should be embarrassing for you to publicly proclaim the things you have here.

Do not think my desire for the safety of Canada's citizens is at odds with civil liberty. To date, they are working well together

Anyone who expects absolutes from medical professionals at a single point in time is unrealistic. We've never had a pandemic in modern times like this before, so of course their understanding and knowledge of this will evolve over time as you would expect.

Their knowledge and options have changed since this pandemic started but to say they don't know what they're doing because a year ago they were saying other things does not take into account that the knowledge base is growing and new things are being discovered constantly.

Most people would cut any field of science some slack over time but apparently there are folks who expect perfection right out of the gate on a situation that has never happened before. Totally unrealistic and certainly not fair.

Social media does not seem to have this problem.

There is no “ cutting of slack” when they openly deny or ignore basic immunology. They knew from the beginning, and I’m not speculating that they knew, that vaccine based immune response would be specific to one antigen( the s-antigen) and that natural immunity would be based on multiple antigens( 5+). This isn’t breaking news, they knew it from their college years. Nobody, anywhere that has this basic knowledge is surprised by the Study from Israel that shows natural immunity is much more effective at protecting from the delta variant because natural immunity has many ways to recognize the virus, vaccine based immunity only one.
I will give credit to the current vaccines that they do prevent people for the most part from getting seriously ill when they become infected. They do not stop the spread( vaccinated and unvaccinated people carry the same or nearly the same viral load and they obviously do not stop people from becoming infected. Requiring people to have a vaccine that does not stop the spread of a virus, which also does not prevent people from becoming ill is ridiculous. Limiting those people that have not had the vaccine from certain activities is also ridiculous, the only people effected is those individuals. And if you’re under retirement age and even moderately healthy your risk of serious health consequences from contracting Covid are so low as to approach zero in reality.
That’s the real world. And no, I don’t believe the government’s response in relation to public health is going well in Canada or the US. Mass populations have handed up their rights without resignation in order to escape a virus who’s effect will never actually be known because the data collected is beyond tainted.
Our need to be good citizens includes critical thinking, claiming ignorance because you “ just trust those experts” is intellectually lazy and reckless. And as I said before, embarrassing.

The problems I have with the vaccines is the money behind it being used by the medical establishment to push them knowing they are not actually vaccines and refusing to acknowledge that natural immunity is every bit as good or better than a hastily developed vaccine. It shows in Dr. Tam changing her opinion on masks. In fact the entire Chinese Communist Party virus fiasco is full of flip flops, Fauci being part of the virus's development, not to mention thousands of instances of the vaccines harming and killing people. And these people are far younger than the average age of death by virus. Which as far as I can discern is 78 years old. This and the continuous blending of cause of death of those who died with the CCP virus opposed to those who died of the virus. There is too much conflicted information out there to trust any government's recommendations and that includes the Trudeau run Canada.

Well your view on civil liberty might be different if it were your country where an election was compromised, the border and immigration laws are not being enforced to the tune of more than 1.7 million unvetted foreigners being allowed into the country in an attempt to bankrupt our social safety net, where the government is intentionally causing shortages and disrupting our supply lines, where said govt has fcked over it's allies in a stupid botched withdrawal from Afghanistan and armed our enemies the Taliban, where a woman was murdered at a protest over the stolen election and the officer who killed her is given a medal, where inflation in 9 months has risen more than 10%, and the defacto deflection is forcing vaccine mandates on our citizens. The .03 chance of dying from the virus is not important at all under our circumstances.

As a Canadian, I see more anger by American citizens for their governments in the media.

I suspect that you do not trust any organization's statistics, but a higher percentage of Americans are dying of COVID than are dying here*. 743,000 deaths in a population of 333 million vs 28,000 in a population of 38 million. After 18 months, it suggests that we may be handling it better. I doubt that the Canadian reaction will reach the level of anger seen in the US.

I do not believe trusting credentialed individuals is "intellectually lazy and reckless". Canadians are paying attention, asking questions and we are making our own decisions. It appears that you expect us to react the same way here as in the US. We have a different business model, I suppose.

* https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

On most of that, it is difficult for me to respond. I am not a US citizen, and have not seen some of what you say is happening.

Rest assured it is exactly what is happening, our and your media are all in on it. You didn't know of our border issues or the Afghan disaster? About Ashli Babbit? The inflation disaster we are starting to suffer under? The laws California has passed to make it impossible for shipping to be transferred to ground transportation? Our government is in full attack mode against us and our freedom.

As scientists, the need for expedient action is not mutually exclusive with the need to be cautious in our claims. It’s possible to say something like “we’re not sure yet if masks are beneficial or not, as the empirical evidence is inconclusive, but we believe that XYZ is the best path forward, so we’ll start with that. We reserve the right to change our conclusion as more data becomes available”. Instead we got something more like: “masks are ineffective”, then “no wait, they are effective”, and so on. This is not how a credible scientist approaches claims of truth and fact.