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The simple answer is not enough men or material.
Two innovations which mitigate those limitations had not yet been invented.
Barbed wire and the machine gun.
“Factio democratica delenda est"
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The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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Cause Truman was too much of a pussy wimp to let MacArthur go in there and blow out those Commie bastards!
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Seeing the future I bet if the Yanks could do it over again they'd throw their hands up and surrender.... If it happens again, I would expect a lot more states to secede. North v South is no longer the dividing line.
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My humble thoughts?
They underestimated the other side's will to fight.
These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o
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The south didnt want to fight. They had no choice. It was fight and maybe win and not be destroyed or dont fight and surely be destroyed.
Its quite analogous to the miserable situation us freedom loving patriots and constitutionalists now find ourselves in.
We are at the Precipice. We change direction and maybe die or dont change direction and surely die.
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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Life would be more simple had they have won. We'd still have tubes in our radios, but I could live with that.
Know fat, know flavor. No fat, no flavor.
I tried going vegan, but then realized it was a big missed steak.
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Life would be more simple had they have won. We'd still have tubes in our radios, but I could live with that. Nothing wrong with tubes in a nice preamp and amplifier. Vinyl is relaxing.
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The south didnt want to fight Speeches from prominent Southern politicians would indicate otherwise. Compare their words to Lincoln's 1st inaugural address.
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They lost because of their arrogance and lack of commitment.
Same reason why we've lost every war since WW2.
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From what I’ve read most historians believe that the South lacked the industrial centers to win the war despite having better leadership and overall the more committed and talented men. If winning the war was a war of attrition that the South couldn’t win outright. Why didn’t the South fight more of a defensive gorilla warfare strategy similar to Afghanistan?
It seems if the South had fought more of a resistance war using men such as General Forrest as hardline resistance to run spec ops in the against the North while also running raids setting fire to towns and fields in the North from Virginia that they could have made life miserable enough on the North to drag it out and break there will at some point. It worked in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and over most of the the British Empire. It seems that it would have worked for the South. The one thing working against the South would have been the rebel leadership being easy targets due to being obvious fixed target plantation owners but the masses it seems could have blended in as average every day folks just trying to survive while running upsurp wars. Why? Same reason a protracted insurgency probably wouldn't work today. Soccer moms... or whatever their equivalent was back then. Soccer moms wouldn't like navigating roadside bombs on the way to yoga and Starbucks. DESPITE what white American women would have us all believe, they've long since held plenty of power in this country. Minorities have plenty of power. Playing the victim card is one of there most effective weapons. Around 1861 I doubt that the South was full of soccer mom/Karen’s but maybe I’m wrong. American women wouldn't tolerate 20 years of war today and I doubt they would have back then. And have cheerfully participated in 50 years of war against their own American countrymen and women. And now, like ticks, they're even more embedded in gubmint positions, always ready to sew communist seed.
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They lost because of their arrogance and lack of commitment.
Same reason why we've lost every war since WW2. In reality we lost WW1 and WW2. What did we gain? Did we free Asia and Europe or did murderous Russian and Chinese communism take over? We goaded Japan into attacking us and were arming the countries fighting Germany. And never have paid for either war or the interest on the money. The wars have broken us and put us at the mercy of the central bankers. Should have taken George Washington's advice and stayed out of the affairs of countries across the sea.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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Let's beer clear off the objective....
Did we lose?
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From what I’ve read most historians believe that the South lacked the industrial centers to win the war despite having better leadership and overall the more committed and talented men. If winning the war was a war of attrition that the South couldn’t win outright. Why didn’t the South fight more of a defensive gorilla warfare strategy similar to Afghanistan?
It seems if the South had fought more of a resistance war using men such as General Forrest as hardline resistance to run spec ops in the against the North while also running raids setting fire to towns and fields in the North from Virginia that they could have made life miserable enough on the North to drag it out and break there will at some point. It worked in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and over most of the the British Empire. It seems that it would have worked for the South. The one thing working against the South would have been the rebel leadership being easy targets due to being obvious fixed target plantation owners but the masses it seems could have blended in as average every day folks just trying to survive while running upsurp wars. Why? Same reason a protracted insurgency probably wouldn't work today. Soccer moms... or whatever their equivalent was back then. Soccer moms wouldn't like navigating roadside bombs on the way to yoga and Starbucks. DESPITE what white American women would have us all believe, they've long since held plenty of power in this country. Minorities have plenty of power. Playing the victim card is one of there most effective weapons. Around 1861 I doubt that the South was full of soccer mom/Karen’s but maybe I’m wrong. American women wouldn't tolerate 20 years of war today and I doubt they would have back then. Um, they just did tolerate 20 years of wasteful war, bud. JFC... I'm talking about here, in the USA, in their backyard.... guy,
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From what I’ve read most historians believe that the South lacked the industrial centers to win the war despite having better leadership and overall the more committed and talented men. If winning the war was a war of attrition that the South couldn’t win outright. Why didn’t the South fight more of a defensive guerrilla warfare strategy similar to Afghanistan?
It seems if the South had fought more of a resistance war using men such as General Forrest as hardline resistance to run spec ops against the North while also running raids setting fire to towns and fields in the North from Virginia that they could have made life miserable enough on the North to drag it out and break there will at some point. It worked in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and over most of the the British Empire. I think it would have worked for the South. The one thing working against the South would have been the rebel leadership being easy targets due to being obvious fixed target plantation owners but the masses it seems could have blended in as average every day folks just trying to survive while running upsurp wars. One of the biggest mistakes made by Southerners was not to free slaves before firing at Ft. Sumter. No country would provide aid to slave states.
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The south was to busy " fixn and aiming to whoop ass". To get it done! That and zero industrial base to supply the needs of their army! Pretty simple.
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The South had most of the experienced officers, and most capable soldiers, but lacking a strong industrial base, they absolutely needed to win the war quickly. Since they fiddled around too much at the start, it quickly became a hopeless cause. It should have gone only one way after Bull Run, leading to a quick forced peace with Lincoln. Having issued too many general ranks based on favors, they didn't have the battlefield leadership to accomplish that early on. Eventually, of course, they put Lee in charge, but by then it was too late. The North had already gotten their industrial base into action, as well as an unlimited flow if immigrants for immediate induction into the Union Army in exchange for citizenship.
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Southerners can shoot better for sure. Especially when it is windy. We make better lovers to keep the women happy. We have our black folk better trained. Most have shoes now. We have Bourbon instead of blended whiskey. Much better cornbread.
Hell, lets try it again. Pick a date to start this $h!t . the "black" problem that we have today is a direct problem that you ....the south ....have brought upon this country......bob
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Seeing the future I bet if the Yanks could do it over again they'd throw their hands up and surrender.... If it happens again, I would expect a lot more states to secede. North v South is no longer the dividing line. true...bob
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