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Originally Posted by denton
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Yep. They’re not gonna like the results of the 2nd Half. 🤠


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Originally Posted by earlybrd
Lee wasn’t used to Grants tactics all of the other commanders before grant left after Lee handed them there ass Grant on the other hand continued to flank south towards Richmond and Petersburg stretching Lee’s ranks and supplies


The Army of the Potomac invaded Virginia several times, got beat in a major battle every time, turned around and went home.

The Army of Northern Virginia invaded the North twice, got beat in a major battle both times, turned around and went home.

Meanwhile in the west, the Union Army won victory after victory except for a temporary reverse at Chicamagua.

Then the winningest Union general from the west was brung to the east.


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Lincoln destroyed our Nation. And killed more Americans than LBJ. Worst President EVER.

Until LBJ and Hiden Biden came along.

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Brazil had many more African slaves than America. Some 40 percent of all slaves imported to the New World went to Brazil. Lots of sugar cane to chop in Brazil.
In 1888, Brazil outlawed slavery. It was an unworkable system. Brazil did not have a civil war.

The same thing would have happened in America had we not had a civil war. What a disaster for my country was the Civil War. It took us decades to recover, and in some ways, we never have recovered from this war.

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Originally Posted by simonkenton7
Brazil had many more African slaves than America. Some 40 percent of all slaves imported to the New World went to Brazil. Lots of sugar cane to chop in Brazil.
In 1888, Brazil outlawed slavery. It was an unworkable system. Brazil did not have a civil war.

The same thing would have happened in America had we not had a civil war. What a disaster for my country was the Civil War. It took us decades to recover, and in some ways, we never have recovered from this war.

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At Gettysburg Confederate gun emplacements we’re firing over the top of the Union targets. A complete waste of energy. Longstreet lost a third of his strength on the first charge yet Lee sent them up again. Picket’s charge wad a complete disaster.
The North had the advantage of high ground and good cover. Stewart was absent. That battle was the beginning of the end for the south.
McCellan was a timid politician and had plenty of chances to prove his worth.

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North had more men, and more supplies.

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Gettysburg day 2 recon by the south was early morning they didn’t attack until 4 or 5 pm Longstreet sent his division south on a wide march so he wouldn’t be detected Hood sent scouts to big round top before the attack and saw the supply trains behind it with no troops to guard it wide open opportunity wasted Longstreet wasted a lot of time coordinating attacks instead of throwing his entire corps into the fight which I believe would have been successful

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I had forgotten about the wagon/artillery park behind Round Top tks.

A reconnaissance that morning by a single individual reported the Union line ended before Little Round Top (true at the time) and completely missed the advance of Sickles into the Peach Orchard.

The circuitous approach by Longstreet behind Seminary Ridge was necessary to preserve the element of surprise but went seriously wrong when the column lost its way and had to backtrack.

Once in position Longstreet insisted on waiting for the arrival of a favored Alabama regiment who had started out before dawn that morning from down by Chambersburg IIRC 25 miles away, they arrived at Gettysburg around one pm and were immediately sent around behind Seminary RidgeI believe these weary men were the ones sent against Little Round Top, having had little opportunity to refill their canteens beforehand.

Hood at the far right of the Confederate line was supposed to strike first, rolling up the Union left flank, to be followed by successive Confederate units to Hood’s left as the Union line folded. As luck would have it Hood was seriously wounded by an artillery round and out of action, nobody thought to inform his next of command.

Almost worked anyway, my own belief is that Sickles’ unauthorized deployment forward saved the day and the battle for the Union by breaking the momentum of the Confederate assault.


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What do you think would be the results of a modern day war between the North and the South?

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Originally Posted by mirage243
What do you think would be the results of a modern day war between the North and the South?


Little different then back then. Bloody tragedy with a lot of losers on both sides.


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Originally Posted by Terryk
North had more men, and more supplies.


Correct, even when the the North's best had defected to the South.

It's a different dynamic today. Almost everything of intrinsic value is produced in the South now...but controlled by the same people up North.

Complicated to say the least.


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The North overcame a series of incompetent and timid generals with superior numbers, railroads and industrial base. They finally found a semi competent general who understood his advantages and was not afraid to fight. End of story.


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Originally Posted by TnBigBore
The North overcame a series of incompetent and timid generals with superior numbers, railroads and industrial base. They finally found a semi competent general who understood his advantages and was not afraid to fight. End of story.


It was a little more complicated than that, as wives and children in New York City weren't being raped by the opposition.


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The North overcame a series of incompetent and timid generals with superior numbers, railroads and industrial base. They finally found a semi competent general who understood his advantages and was not afraid to fight. End of story.


It was a little more complicated than that, as wives and children in New York City weren't being raped by the opposition.


Obviously an oversimplification. A lot of my ancestors came from a super complicated theatre of the war. East Tennessee was about as complicated as it got in the 1860s. Lots of atrocities committed by both sides.


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What do you think would be the results of a modern day war between the North and the South?

Little different then back then. Bloody tragedy with a lot of losers on both sides.

Problem would be the readymade peace at any price party made up of all the Social Security recipients and folks that owe money. Then you would have our huge black population, a good many with military training. Half our boys are sissies nowadays. Tell me how it would come out. 60+ year old men don't fight wars very well even if they would give up their check and fight. We are hog tied, because we took the bait of social programs.


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The North overcame a series of incompetent and timid generals with superior numbers, railroads and industrial base. They finally found a semi competent general who understood his advantages and was not afraid to fight. End of story.


It was a little more complicated than that, as wives and children in New York City weren't being raped by the opposition.


Obviously an oversimplification. A lot of my ancestors came from a super complicated theatre of the war. East Tennessee was about as complicated as it got in the 1860s. Lots of atrocities committed by both sides.


Only one side was invaded.


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
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The North overcame a series of incompetent and timid generals with superior numbers, railroads and industrial base. They finally found a semi competent general who understood his advantages and was not afraid to fight. End of story.


It was a little more complicated than that, as wives and children in New York City weren't being raped by the opposition.


Obviously an oversimplification. A lot of my ancestors came from a super complicated theatre of the war. East Tennessee was about as complicated as it got in the 1860s. Lots of atrocities committed by both sides.


Only one side was invaded.


Parts of East Tennessee and north Alabama considered themselves to still be part of the Union and were invaded by Confederate forces. I take your point though.


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
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The North overcame a series of incompetent and timid generals with superior numbers, railroads and industrial base. They finally found a semi competent general who understood his advantages and was not afraid to fight. End of story.


It was a little more complicated than that, as wives and children in New York City weren't being raped by the opposition.


Obviously an oversimplification. A lot of my ancestors came from a super complicated theatre of the war. East Tennessee was about as complicated as it got in the 1860s. Lots of atrocities committed by both sides.


Only one side was invaded.


Well duh! How would a war start waiting for the South to attack the North?


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