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My first-generation (1st year) Tundra has been trouble-free with the exception of the starter, which was replaced at ~117,000 miles. I have replaced the timing belt and water pump, as preventative maintenance, and will soon be replacing my headlight housings, as they have clouded up over these 22 years. Fuel mileage is rather poor, ~11 mpg around town. But the truck is very powerful, has extremely good ride and handling, and is very quiet inside.

I've owned Suburban, Yukon, Explorer, Lariat and Land Cruiser 4x4's, and my Tundra has been the best of all of them, by far, particularly in quality and workmanship, with the GMC's having been the most expensive to maintain and the most troublesome; the Explorer having no trouble in the three years I owned it.

I plan on keeping my 2000 Tundra. While it isn't what I would call "pretty", it has grown on me and at least isn't F'ugly like the new ones. Also it seems the perfect size, which is a bit smaller than the new ones.


Can you offer what application you are using?

Thanks Pal!


If you're asking what housings I am using, they are brand new OEM Toyota replacements--identical to originals ($140 each vs $40 for aftermarket). There is a lot of research put into this that shows the aftermarket units are garbage. Also installing Phillips Racing GT200 bulbs. I have all the parts; just been busy with work.


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Originally Posted by pal
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My first-generation (1st year) Tundra has been trouble-free with the exception of the starter, which was replaced at ~117,000 miles. I have replaced the timing belt and water pump, as preventative maintenance, and will soon be replacing my headlight housings, as they have clouded up over these 22 years. Fuel mileage is rather poor, ~11 mpg around town. But the truck is very powerful, has extremely good ride and handling, and is very quiet inside.

I've owned Suburban, Yukon, Explorer, Lariat and Land Cruiser 4x4's, and my Tundra has been the best of all of them, by far, particularly in quality and workmanship, with the GMC's having been the most expensive to maintain and the most troublesome; the Explorer having no trouble in the three years I owned it.

I plan on keeping my 2000 Tundra. While it isn't what I would call "pretty", it has grown on me and at least isn't F'ugly like the new ones. Also it seems the perfect size, which is a bit smaller than the new ones.


Can you offer what application you are using?

Thanks Pal!


If you're asking what housings I am using, they are brand new OEM Toyota replacements--identical to originals ($140 each vs $40 for aftermarket). There is a lot of research put into this that shows the aftermarket units are garbage. Also installing Phillips Racing GT200 bulbs. I have all the parts; just been busy with work.


Thanks Pal.

Do you have a link for both of the above?

Very much appreciated.


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My first-generation (1st year) Tundra has been trouble-free with the exception of the starter, which was replaced at ~117,000 miles. I have replaced the timing belt and water pump, as preventative maintenance, and will soon be replacing my headlight housings, as they have clouded up over these 22 years. Fuel mileage is rather poor, ~11 mpg around town. But the truck is very powerful, has extremely good ride and handling, and is very quiet inside.

I've owned Suburban, Yukon, Explorer, Lariat and Land Cruiser 4x4's, and my Tundra has been the best of all of them, by far, particularly in quality and workmanship, with the GMC's having been the most expensive to maintain and the most troublesome; the Explorer having no trouble in the three years I owned it.

I plan on keeping my 2000 Tundra. While it isn't what I would call "pretty", it has grown on me and at least isn't F'ugly like the new ones. Also it seems the perfect size, which is a bit smaller than the new ones.


Can you offer what application you are using?



Thanks Pal!


If you're asking what housings I am using, they are brand new OEM Toyota replacements--identical to originals ($140 each vs $40 for aftermarket). There is a lot of research put into this that shows the aftermarket units are garbage. Also installing Phillips Racing GT200 bulbs. I have all the parts; just been busy with work.


Thanks Pal.

Do you have a link for both of the above?

Very much appreciated.


Here you go.
https://www.oempartsource.com/oem-parts/toyota-headlight-left-811700c010
https://www.oempartsource.com/oem-parts/toyota-headlight-right-811300c010
https://www.ebay.com/itm/393521217126


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The Dodges I looked at are made in Mexico and the profits go to Italy.

Toyotas profits go to japan


Really?

I was unaware Toyota is not a private company and all that work for them are Japanese. Thank you for the insight.

All profit DO GO TO japan Mr insight

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Originally Posted by Buzz
Here are some pictures of what I was saying earlier that I just don't get.

I cannot imagine a 4x4 without hooks on the front.

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Who designed this awful rear bumper? I don't recall ever seeing a truck you can't use the bumper as a step to get in the tailgate. That's just a piss poor design

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Unlike the previous generation with massive brakes, these LOOK much smaller. I don't have a picture of the rear axle but it is shockingly small compared to the previous generation.


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Just not sure where they are going with these changes. I won't even get into the 3.4L TT (it's not a 3.5L). I am sure Toyota will get it right there eventually, but I'd sure not want to be an early adapter.


The rear bumper comment is bullchit. I was stepping on one yesterday just fine.


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Are the axles and brakes smaller or do they just look smaller due to the larger/blockier design of the truck? Woman with small hands holding onto big Jim and the twins effect.


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Originally Posted by EdM
Originally Posted by Buzz
Here are some pictures of what I was saying earlier that I just don't get.

I cannot imagine a 4x4 without hooks on the front.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

Who designed this awful rear bumper? I don't recall ever seeing a truck you can't use the bumper as a step to get in the tailgate. That's just a piss poor design

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

Unlike the previous generation with massive brakes, these LOOK much smaller. I don't have a picture of the rear axle but it is shockingly small compared to the previous generation.


[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

Just not sure where they are going with these changes. I won't even get into the 3.4L TT (it's not a 3.5L). I am sure Toyota will get it right there eventually, but I'd sure not want to be an early adapter.


The rear bumper comment is bullchit. I was stepping on one yesterday just fine.


He may mean "tailgate down - bumper proud of each side to provide a step up" but I've never found that to be all that handy, it's but another 2 inches to be right on the tailgate as it is.


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I saw a new TRD model the other day on the street and it was my first time to walk around the new Tundra and take a look. I hope they do well and offer another solid option in the half-ton market, but I do not find the new model to be a handsome design. The F150 and Silverado are more visually appealing, in my book. Not really a big fan of the giant grills that all manufacturers are using these days, but it is what it is.


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I'm wondering if the shift to big grills has to do with the need to cool turbos, intercoolers and higher engine temps brought on by a more lean tune to meet EPA emissions?

Need the big grill to wrap around the big rad assembly. It's why the hood on a Pete 389 is bigger/longer than the old 379. Needed more cooling real estate.


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That could indeed be part of it. I had to special order a winch plate and grillguard for my Ecoboost Ford that would sit the winch above the intercooler opening. Lots of cooling on the front of that one.


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I looked at and drove a new Tundra yesterday and I was disappointed.

I drive a 2014 Tundra and love it, but they changed many little things that to me are not an improvement. As mentioned above the grill is huge and to me it is too open which could allow gravel, small birds, etc in. The bed seems to be covered in plastic along with the bumpers, etc. Texas sun is not kind to plastics and the 22 model has much more plastic than the 14. The inside of the new console has shelves and compartments that limits the size of the objects one could place in it. My 14 has one huge opening and it is amazing how much it will hold. The rear seat in the crew cab is supported by a large plastic piece that makes for a nice storage bin. However, when you raise the seats up you no longer have the large fairly flat floor to put objects like rifle cases on. In fact the transmission tunnel on the rear floor is about three times higher than in my 14. My old Chocolate Lab would be uncomfortable on that huge hump. My 14 trim level has power drivers seat, but the 22 does not. The new location for the 4-wheel drive control looks like it could be bumped a lot easier.

Then there's the V6 twin turbo business that adds complexity and labor time if the engine ever needs work. The ten speed tranny? Will it not be constantly searching for the right gear especially in off road use?

When I came back from the test drive, (it does ride better than the 14!), I made the mistake of parking next to the 14. Dang that 22 is rather fugly compared to old reliable. Did I mention how much black plastic there is for the sun to devour?

Will eventually get used to the looks and needs change so maybe someday...Hey Toyota, if ya put the 5.7 V8 back in it I may could be persuaded.


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Like it or not the 22s are what they are, we will never see another V8 thanks to the EPA.
I would still bet even with it being the first model year it will be more reliable with less cost to own in the long run, not to mention it will almost certainly have a better resale 10 years from now than other offerings out there.

Time has proven that out. back in 07 when the 2nd gen came out I heard all the same BS about that truck, some just like to hate for the sake of it I guess? I will keep driving my 07 a few more years I suppose, right now it's still tight, has never had a front end alignment after close to 180,000, uses no oil with not a leak anywhere, no cracks in the dash or any other plastic interior parts. perfect? no but far better than many other brands my friends bought in the same time period, I feel I made the best choice out of everything that was offered in 07.

I'm sure the 3rd gen trucks will have a few glitches but outside of being not so handsome looking they will likely be a good truck.
I really wish Ford ,GM and Ram WOULD build a truck of comparable quality?

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Originally Posted by hillbill
Like it or not the 22s are what they are, we will never see another V8 thanks to the EPA.
I would still bet even with it being the first model year it will be more reliable with less cost to own in the long run, not to mention it will almost certainly have a better resale 10 years from now than other offerings out there.

Time has proven that out. back in 07 when the 2nd gen came out I heard all the same BS about that truck, some just like to hate for the sake of it I guess? I will keep driving my 07 a few more years I suppose, right now it's still tight, has never had a front end alignment after close to 180,000, uses no oil with not a leak anywhere, no cracks in the dash or any other plastic interior parts. perfect? no but far better than many other brands my friends bought in the same time period, I feel I made the best choice out of everything that was offered in 07.

I'm sure the 3rd gen trucks will have a few glitches but outside of being not so handsome looking they will likely be a good truck.
I really wish Ford ,GM and Ram WOULD build a truck of comparable quality?


I'd agree with this. Maybe not the v-8 part but I think that today's consumer is learning that v-8 in and of itself isn't a silver bullet. The HP and torque created by modern 6cyl vehicles outclass the old standbys of yesteryear. The old Ford 302 and Chev 350 hp numbers are laughable today yet we pulled campers and boats with them then just fine - you can pull a camper/boat fine today. Large speed transmissions help. Not apples/apples but last week I took a 600 mile trip for work. My mid sized car has a tiny 4cyl but 9 speed trans. You'd think HP to Weight would be dead in that thing - a slug and poor mpg. Nope, in the 40's because of the perfect gears all the time in that transmission.

We also expect a lot more these days. I remember when 78k miles was a lot of miles on a vehicle. Today that's not even 1/2 its life. The worst truck today is likely a lot better than the best truck 15 years ago.


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Just pulled up next to a new tundra on the way home from work today.

Holy balls…….That is one ugly truck. They went from one of the best looking 1/2 tons to looking like some kind of anime nightmare.


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I don't like the previous version for looks. The new one is growing on me and I have a feeling that it's my next truck when the time is right.


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As a previous owner of a 2017 Tundra and looking at the specs onToyota really chitt the bed with this one. They were never a pretty truck either but the new one is hideous.

They should have gone the aluminum route like ford did and re-engineered their V8 engine and powertrain especially the 4.10 gear ratio. They could have also introduced a diesel . They are a very conservative company and I why they took this plunge is unlike them. It will be a disaster for them and its owners.

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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
As a previous owner of a 2017 Tundra and looking at the specs onToyota really chitt the bed with this one. They were never a pretty truck either but the new one is hideous.

They should have gone the aluminum route like ford did and re-engineered their V8 engine and powertrain especially the 4.10 gear ratio. They could have also introduced a diesel . They are a very conservative company and I why they took this plunge is unlike them. It will be a disaster for them and its owners.



More than doubtful.


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As a previous owner of a 2017 Tundra and looking at the specs onToyota really chitt the bed with this one. They were never a pretty truck either but the new one is hideous.

They should have gone the aluminum route like ford did and re-engineered their V8 engine and powertrain especially the 4.10 gear ratio. They could have also introduced a diesel . They are a very conservative company and I why they took this plunge is unlike them. It will be a disaster for them and its owners.



More than doubtful.


I agree. The TT thing doesn’t bother me at all. Toyota can engineer and compound turbos ain’t exactly new tech.
The 4:10 thing doesn’t really matter either. By itself it means nothing.

Looks wise though, I was taken aback. Fuggers U G L Y, it ain’t got no alibi, it s ugly.


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Originally Posted by MadMooner
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[quote=Oldelkhunter]As a previous owner of a 2017 Tundra and looking at the specs onToyota really chitt the bed with this one. They were never a pretty truck either but the new one is hideous.

They should have gone the aluminum route like ford did and re-engineered their V8 engine and powertrain especially the 4.10 gear ratio. They could have also introduced a diesel . They are a very conservative company and I why they took this plunge is unlike them. It will be a disaster for them and its owners.



More than doubtful.


I agree. The TT thing doesn’t bother me at all. Toyota can engineer and compound turbos ain’t exactly new tech.
The 4:10 thing doesn’t really matter either. By itself it means nothing.

4.10 gears were on the previous model. I have been dealing with our local Toyota dealer for 22 years , they have serviced Tundra, 3 Tacomas, Avalon , highlander and Camry and they are getting a lot of complaints on the few they sold. Electrical and Turbo issues. That's why I wouldn't touch one and I have bought a lot of Toyotas..

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