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I have several thousand 62 grain Bear Claws. They will do anything I need. I use them in 233’s and 22-250’s


Good to hear, i've loaded up 300 of those in 223 myself, another bullet i've never ran into meat.



They will slap through a 200 lb piggies shoulders at 200 yards to parts unknown. I don’t hunt deer with a 223, but I wouldn’t be nervous about it with a Bear Claw.


damn! more than i expected, good to know and thanks hanco.

I'll bet those bear claws are fine bullets.


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The 77 grain Sierra TMK is my pick for an all arounder. From 5.56 up through 22-250 so far they have been very accurate and they kill everything, up to deer making them look way bigger than they really are. The 62 grain TTSX is my next favorite all arounder.


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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
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I have several thousand 62 grain Bear Claws. They will do anything I need. I use them in 233’s and 22-250’s


Good to hear, i've loaded up 300 of those in 223 myself, another bullet i've never ran into meat.



They will slap through a 200 lb piggies shoulders at 200 yards to parts unknown. I don’t hunt deer with a 223, but I wouldn’t be nervous about it with a Bear Claw.


damn! more than i expected, good to know and thanks hanco.

I'll bet those bear claws are fine bullets.



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Originally Posted by gunner500
I bought a crap load of 64gr Nosler bonded from Shooters Pro Shop with that very thought in mind, iirc they were 25 bucks a hundred then, haven't hit anything but paper, suppose they'll do fine leaving at 2776 fps over Alliant Varmint and CFE-223 from 7 twist 16" mid length AR's.


I have several hundred of those as well. Never fired any. You sticking to Nosler data on n CFE223? My 20” AR is on the verge of birth and I just might blood it in November.


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Bet they are too BSA, i load them and the 64gr Nosler for Wifes defense AR's

shootem, i went 26gr CFE-223 for both the little Bear Claw and Nosler Bonded, i cant hold good enough to tell the difference between the two at 50 yards with Aimpoint and Eo-Tech 556, they ought to be scooting from that 20 inch barrel, dont see you'll have any trouble piling up deer, good luck and keep us posted if you will.


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If I had to pick one, it would be the 65 Sierra or the 55 TTSX. I know the 62 TTSX is supposed to be “better” but I like the 55.

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Another fan of the 77gr TMK. It's actually pretty impressive.

The only bummer is high volume practice.
I have a few 77gr MK, 64gr BSB, 64gr Win PP, as well as a couple boxes of TTSX, TSX, and even Gold Dots. Any of these work. My least favorite are the Barnes.

I buy bulk 55gr Hornady sp or fmj for practice or when running drills.

The TMKs are fun at a little distance and slow fire. I keep them loaded in handy mags. My pistol shoots them as good as my rifle.


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Well said BigNate. They are fierce bullets on animals but the easy loading accuracy makes them a go to for me. I wished I had 5k of them. The Dillon cranks them out with 26 grains of Lever and man, there isn’t a bolt gun or AR they haven’t turned in excellent accuracy.


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It is hard to deny the price point of the 55gr Hornady interlocks. $67.99/500 at midsouth is looking pretty good. The 69 and 77 SMK and TMK's are twice that. Although they do shoot better than the 55's. I remember taking 4 of my AR's out to develop some loads with the 77TMK's and every one of them loved that bullet. Sub moa 10 shot groups was the norm. Its hard to make those bullets shoot poorly.


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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These guys are making their own 69 gr version of the SMK & have spent a lot of time tweaking them & seem to have got it right now.

I've tried them & they have shot well enough for me (under 1", 5 shots) to buy 4K of them.

At 14.2 cents each, that's a decent price.

Their stock comes & goes as they produce them, so if you want them you need to watch closely or get on their mailing list.

I still prefer 77's but these are a good compromise for volume shooting.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
These guys are making their own 69 gr version of the SMK & have spent a lot of time tweaking them & seem to have got it right now.

I've tried them & they have shot well enough for me (under 1", 5 shots) to buy 4K of them.

At 14.2 cents each, that's a decent price.

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What did you do to get them to shoot? Load them on top of 24gr of .....?


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I didn't do anything special for these, I just used my historical loads for 69 SMK's / TMK's with both 8208 & VV-540.

23.7 gr 8208 w/ Wolf Mag Match Primers

25.5 gr VV-540 w/ Wolf Mag Match Primers

Ran them in a couple of guns; one with an 18" WOA barrel, one with a Craddock (Rock Creek) 18" barrel.

No chrono data for these, but both those loads produce around 2875-2900 with 69 SMK's.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
I didn't do anything special for these, I just used my historical loads for 69 SMK's / TMK's with both 8208 & VV-540.

23.7 gr 8208 w/ Wolf Mag Match Primers

25.5 gr VV-540 w/ Wolf Mag Match Primers

Ran them in a couple of guns; one with an 18" WOA barrel, one with a Craddock (Rock Creek) 18" barrel.

No chrono data for these, but both those loads produce around 2875-2900 with 69 SMK's.

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So if you worked up a load, they may even do better. How are the flyers? Not that flyers make any difference for self defense. I'm also wondering how they compare in penetration?


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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Thanks MM, I have used pistol bullets from them buy haven't talked to anyone who personally vouches for these.


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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
How are the flyers? Not that flyers make any difference for self defense. I'm also wondering how they compare in penetration?


I haven't shot enough groups over time to really see any flyers unless you count the jerk behind the trigger yanking one occasionally. wink

And I haven't shot any animals with them either, but they dupe the SMK's so I'd expect comparable performance.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
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How are the flyers? Not that flyers make any difference for self defense. I'm also wondering how they compare in penetration?


I haven't shot enough groups over time to really see any flyers unless you count the jerk behind the trigger yanking one occasionally. wink

And I haven't shot any animals with them either, but they dupe the SMK's so I'd expect comparable performance.

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I always see flyers, but you are right it's usually the jerk behind the trigger. Proved that last saturday. However, I ran them fairly fast. 10 shots in 10 seconds. Bumped one out of the X-ring. Wasn't really a competition, as we had very minimal shooters there. Most of our guys were out hunting on opening day. Even the phugg that suggested we have the shoot at the meeting was out hunting. SOB. He's a newbie handloader, but wants to tell all the members how to reload for "precision". This would have been the first shoot for him to prove his chidt doesn't stink. I've seen him shoot with his Christensen arms in the chassis to know why he wasn't there....The bullets you posted seem to be a great deal and one to be considered. I guess I'd have to shoot them to be sure how good they really are.


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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That's pretty damn good shooting, IMO................................assuming you didn't move in to the 25 !!

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, here, though. laugh

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It does stink to pay the premium for the 77 TMKs but it nice for me to keep the guns zeroed with them and to reach into the ammo can and know they’ll reach great for steel and also pound coyotes and similar.


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While the 75gr Hornie HPBT has no equal,the RMR's are in fairness,Good Little Bitches. Hint.

No complaints in my 22BR,even if it is a Fhuqking Krieger barrel! Hint. LAUGHING!

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They are VERY 69gr Sugar-esque. Hint.

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