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People call it a lot of different names but I like to call it the new 308 magnum IMPROVED.
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/a-new-ruling-for-the-30-06-sprg/#:~:text=The%20trajectory%20advantage%20goes%20to%20150-grain%20bullets%20in,Sprg.%20with%20a%2022-inch%20barrel%20was%203%2C080%20fps.
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About 3140 fps with the 125 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip and 50 grains of Varget. 24" Krieger 1:12 twist barrel. It's a book load. Scoots.  Shoots great too, quite accurate. Loaded it for a recoil-shy friend who then flattened a fat whitetail buck with it. I was with her when she shot the buck. Bullet went through both shoulder blades and was recovered, quite flattened, under the off-side hide. Regards, Guy
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People call it a lot of different names but I like to call it the new 308 magnum IMPROVED.
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/a-new-ruling-for-the-30-06-sprg/#:~:text=The%20trajectory%20advantage%20goes%20to%20150-grain%20bullets%20in,Sprg.%20with%20a%2022-inch%20barrel%20was%203%2C080%20fps. https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/a-new-ruling-for-the-30-06-sprg/#:~:text=The%20trajectory%20advantage%20goes%20to%20150-grain%20bullets%20in,Sprg.%20with%20a%2022-inch%20barrel%20was%203%2C080%20fps Good little article on 150's from the 30-06 on game including elk. Thanks for posting it! Regards, Guy
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This is a serious question - but WHY? Is this a personal challenge, a phallic measuring thing/ I seriously want to know as I just got another .308 (Steyr Scout) and want to work up a good hunting load for it. It never occurred to me to try and achieve Mach3 with a .308, I like what another poster said "that is what a 300 WSM is for". The idea of an exotic bullet like a Cutting Edge 100 grain going 3000+ fps does intrigue me, but it follows proper physics of lighter bullet = faster speed. I do love CFE 223 for .308, it has been my go-to hunting load/powder for 6 years using a seriously boring Sierra Gameking 165grain HPBT that has all the aerodynamics of a school bus. That slow-poke round doing around 2600 fps recorded my longest deer kill, a 450 yard shot that went through both shoulders of a nice buck out of a Remington VTR (effectively a 19" to 20" barrel) when you subtract the length of the three slotted muzzle brake on the triangle barrel.
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This is a serious question - but WHY? Is this a personal challenge, a phallic measuring thing/ I seriously want to know Will Storr has written a book saying most things are best explained by status, even virtue signaling. The exception is sex, which is a more basic instinct than status.
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This is a serious question - but WHY? Maybe the .308 is what the OP has to work with and he wants to safely optimize its performance, nothing wrong with that. Having said that, as prairie goat already pointed out, using Barnes data for jacketed bullets is not the way to go, the bearing surface being much less on the Barnes. Length is irrelevant, bearing surface is not.
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What’s the need for the fastest load???
Why?
I prefer classic.
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PS, for those who say they'd rather chase accuracy than speed, going from 1.5 moa to .75 moa is akin to going from 2800 fps to 2900. For almost all hunting applications they both don't make a lot of difference.
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3,100 fps with the 130 TTSX and max load of CFE-223
Similar, my 130 TTSX load is 3100 with Varget from a 24”, which is slightly below max.
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I've been loading, shooting, and killing animals with the 308 for the better part of 10 years. It's been my main killing rifle. I didnt plan it that way, it just sort of evolved- its accurate, light, and I shoot it well.
I agree with smoke - I tend to maximize performance - but I dont chase every last fps. I maximize the combination of accuracy and velocity. My rifle tends to like several loads for any given bullet. In this rifle, I usually find 2-3 recipes for any given bullet and pick the most consistent accuracy with the most velocity.
To that end, I've run 180s to 2650 and shot elk/deer. I run 165s to 2700 and have shot elk/deer. I'm using 150 TTSX this year at 2885 for elk. I developed a 130 TTSX load this past year that clocks 3050 and can get to 3100. All in 22 inch Kimber Montana that weighs 6.6 lbs with a NF SHV atop. That rifle fits 99% of my hunting situations from deer to black bear to elk.
And I was not a fan of the 308 in my younger years. It just sort of happened - wasnt fast enough, didnt shoot flat enough, didnt recoil enough to seem effective, blag, blah, blah. There are better tools for true long range work. My hunting style doesnt seem to correlate with long range. I prepare for it but end up shooting something at less than 200 yards. At least for the past 40+ years.
I think the gist of the thread is about effectively killing an animal. The 308 does it very well within reasonable ranges. 50-100 ft/sec really wont make that much difference. Lob one into the lungs and get your knife out.
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I've been loading, shooting, and killing animals with the 308 for the better part of 10 years. It's been my main killing rifle. I didnt plan it that way, it just sort of evolved- its accurate, light, and I shoot it well.
I agree with smoke - I tend to maximize performance - but I dont chase every last fps. I maximize the combination of accuracy and velocity. My rifle tends to like several loads for any given bullet. In this rifle, I usually find 2-3 recipes for any given bullet and pick the most consistent accuracy with the most velocity.
To that end, I've run 180s to 2650 and shot elk/deer. I run 165s to 2700 and have shot elk/deer. I'm using 150 TTSX this year at 2885 for elk. I developed a 130 TTSX load this past year that clocks 3050 and can get to 3100. All in 22 inch Kimber Montana that weighs 6.6 lbs with a NF SHV atop. That rifle fits 99% of my hunting situations from deer to black bear to elk.
And I was not a fan of the 308 in my younger years. It just sort of happened - wasnt fast enough, didnt shoot flat enough, didnt recoil enough to seem effective, blag, blah, blah. There are better tools for true long range work. My hunting style doesnt seem to correlate with long range. I prepare for it but end up shooting something at less than 200 yards. At least for the past 40+ years.
I think the gist of the thread is about effectively killing an animal. The 308 does it very well within reasonable ranges. 50-100 ft/sec really wont make that much difference. Lob one into the lungs and get your knife out. Get outta here with your rationale and pragmatism! But seriously, I echo your sentiments, especially in your journey to arrive at your .308 destination. I've been enamored with all sorts of magnums, but continuously find myself trying to add the perfect .308 to my arsenal to become a one-gun hunter. I had a custom one built for me this year, 24" Proof light sendero on a trued Remington action, with plans to launch 155 Scenars through it. It was inspired by @scenarshooter and the multiple Scenar threads on here. Haven't got it dialed in, yet, but it sure looks damn cool.
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........I think that 155 Scenar offers a lot for a little. Sure does. Thus far I have yet to need more. I have more but don't need more.
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What’s the need for the fastest load???
Why? Point vs Counterpoint I prefer my bullets to run at a minimal velocity threshold of 2800 fps. Anything less is unacceptable. My maximum velocity threshold depends on the intended use for the cartridge.
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I run the 130 TTSX bullets at 3,150 in my .308Win but just ordered some 124gr Hammers to see what they might achieve. The Hammers generate less pressure and should hit 3,200 ft/sec without too much difficulty. Endlessly testing loads/bullets/powder is just part of the addiction.
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125g Accubonds or Sierra Game changers at 3150 with Win 748 shooting tiny groups is the norm, 24" Rem 700 and Douglas on Ruger. Light TTSX runs about the same.
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3,100 fps with the 130 TTSX and max load of CFE-223
What do you (and others) think of this bullet for both accuracy & game-taking ability? Just picked up a box of the 130 gr TTSX's because I was curious... Thanks, Guy
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