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And just how long do you suppose it'll take to recharge THAT? And at what cost could that be then??



Yep - especially in the Northland areas..

Their rules, our pain...

If they can force us to buy an electric car that we don't want, then they can do about anything else they want to.

They dont. That scenario only works in S California.

If you plug one in at home, you need to install high speed bearings and a cooling fan in your power meter.

BEV's don't have to do with restricting travel -- the centrally-controlled cars, that is what will restrict travel on a very granular basis. The limited range of BEVs is a temporary technological constraint. Having full control over the navigation of each individual vehicle remotely is far more powerful and it can be achieved with any powertrain. I'm sure it will be evaded in widespread ways during the transition, but then on a dwindling scale as mandates are handed to manufacturers, incentives are made to most people that are indifferent, and finally punishments are meted out to the disobedient in terms of higher insurance premiums, fines, and eventually criminal prosecution. Sure, it will be something that would continue to be possible to evade, but control of 99.99% of transportation is enough.

As for the BEVs, they're just a profit scheme. Right now, ICEVs are a mature technology with low-margins and a lot of competition. They're like Personal Computers were. The corporations are facing razor-thin margins and rising competition from China that could dump product on the market. The only things holding it off are tariffs and import restrictions. It's not just about the threat of Chinese imports though. Even now, there's too much competition and too little profit. BEVs are an opportunity to reset the marketplace. One maker (Tesla) already disrupted the market and now a few others that have access to the required capital will adapt to the change, but many that don't have the flexibility to adapt will be eliminated. Look at the capital that Tesla is needing to build battery factories, and consider which power centers will determine charging infrastructure standards. There will be a lot of consolidation in the automotive market. Even if a wide variety of quirky brands pop up, none of them will control even 1% of the market. As it always does, heavy-handed government regulation will have the effect of reducing competition, raising prices, and limiting innovation.

BEVs won't accomplish anything for the environment or climate change. They will generate a net increase in energy use, traffic, road-expansion, urban-sprawl and every other problem that comes with the automobile -- because they're no different. Environmentally, they are exactly the same paradigm that we already have with just one little detail that's different. They relocate the source of carbon emissions, and potentially reduce carbon emissions if solar, nuclear or wind sources are used, but they solve this one problem at massive cost while leaving all the other problems untouched. Whether the cost of solving that one problem is worth it is debatable, but the ones that stand to profit from it have already made up their mind.

The green energy moonbats have opposed nearly every green energy initiative here in Maine. Scream when windmills show up in view of their favorite mountain, don't cut a tree to put in solar, don't build a grid from hydro, subsidize the purchase of EVs, especially to LMI populations, but force the utility to upgrade without rate increases.

They are litterally out of control in this state

Except that the majority of todays electric cars get better than 300 mi., and the top ten get right at 350 or better and that is without completely draining the battery. Not to mention that rapid charging (such as at a charge station) can ad another 200+ mi. in 20-30 min. In other words there is very little difference in type of vehicle. Electric Semi's are even starting to appear. So basically your premise is full of [bleep]...

Phil

Cradle to grave EV’s will be just as if not worse for the environment.
No free lunch.

How does electric work out for people living rural, towing and hauling heavy loads, plowing snow, back country travel etc, in sub-zero cold?

All the cars with satellite connections can probably be disabled with one click of a mouse. Wouldn’t surprise me if that little app was already built and waiting for use, en masse.

You can do that now (and for the last 20 years) with gas cars...

Phil

EVs aren’t the problem.

Mandates are.

This fugking idiot lives where it takes 90 minutes to traverse 20 miles of highway.

LOL

Some of the better current batteries and fast charging stations can do a 80% in like 20 minutes. I don't have one of these vehicles so I'm not defending them per se. Just think the theory is a stretch since technology changes will make it moot probably within 2-4 years. There's a solid state battery company looking to scale up to car size batteries. Their goal is to double the capacity to about 500 miles and cut the charging time by around 75%.

I would be more concerned with them saying that they need to put gadgets on every car and tax by the mile.

One big consideration is who owns all of the lithium for these batteries? Lithium, currently, cannot be recycled.

Start making millions of lithium batteries for EV's and watch the environmental weenies cry from the damage associated with that kind of strip mining.


Clyde

I don't care anymore

Ganfeng is China's largest producer of lithium and they supply Tesla. China is the second largest lithium producer behind Bolivia and then next is Australia.

But guess who is sitting on an estimated $1 trillion dollar reserve? - Biden's Taliban 2.0 Little wonder why China is setting up shop there. Obama's payoff to the Iranians pales in comparison to Biden setting up the Taliban and China.

So at the end of the day, liberals want the US dependent on Islamic states for our petroleum supplies and terrorists states for our rare Earth minerals. I'm starting not to like those guys very much.

The ideas proposed to charge a fair state road tax once EVs become more abundant will be interesting.

Local county fuel tax ideas dreamed up by dingy County commissioners will be nothing short of mind numbing.

Me thinks license plates for EVs will become spendy.