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Originally Posted by jaguartx
There are a lot of bubbas in prison. There will be many in hell.




Only if they don't ask the Lord for forgiveness and become believers in their hearts


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Salvation??It is so easy that you do not need to quote a multitude of passages from the Bible.You either believe Christ is your Savior or you don`t.Its like a bunch of old hens here, clucking over trivial matters.Blah,blah,blah,yada,yada,yada.


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
The book of James is aimed at telling believers to do good works to make their beliefs come alive. It's for believers, not for telling non-believers that they can be saved by works. It's often misinterpreted that way.
You don't think James the brother of Jesus might have written that to straighten out the hogwash that Paul was spewing? And then Jesus praised the church at Ephesus for expelling Paul. Then Paul bemoans his expulsion in his letter to Timothy thus verifying Jesus' message in Revelation 2.

Wide is the gate and broad is the road. If something seems too easy it might be a lie. Especially when a dissatisfied deck hand starts countermanding the ship captains orders.

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
The book of James is aimed at telling believers to do good works to make their beliefs come alive. It's for believers, not for telling non-believers that they can be saved by works. It's often misinterpreted that way.
You don't think James the brother of Jesus might have written that to straighten out the hogwash that Paul was spewing? And then Jesus praised the church at Ephesus for expelling Paul. Then Paul bemoans his expulsion in his letter to Timothy thus verifying Jesus' message in Revelation 2.

Wide is the gate and broad is the road. If something seems too easy it might be a lie. Especially when a dissatisfied deck hand starts countermanding the ship captains orders.
Huh? Jesus was long gone before there was a church in Ephesis. Paul founded it. He started in the local synagog which had been there for centuries and he started preaching Jesus. He got a great response. Paul was hand picked by Jesus to spread the word to the Gentiles. Are you naive enough to think that Jesus wouldn't know what Paul would turn out to be? He picked Paul for a reason and Paul did Jesus's bidding. He taught the truth as taught to him by the Lord and many don't like to hear the truth.

The so called expulsion was years later when the church was back sliding. The false teachers, the gnostics, were getting the upper hand and turning the church away from Jesus. So no, James wasn't preaching against Paul. He was preaching to those who were trying to slide along in their salvation without working to better the church.


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
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The book of James is aimed at telling believers to do good works to make their beliefs come alive. It's for believers, not for telling non-believers that they can be saved by works. It's often misinterpreted that way.
You don't think James the brother of Jesus might have written that to straighten out the hogwash that Paul was spewing? And then Jesus praised the church at Ephesus for expelling Paul. Then Paul bemoans his expulsion in his letter to Timothy thus verifying Jesus' message in Revelation 2.

Wide is the gate and broad is the road. If something seems too easy it might be a lie. Especially when a dissatisfied deck hand starts countermanding the ship captains orders.
Huh? Jesus was long gone before there was a church in Ephesis. Paul founded it. He started in the local synagog which had been there for centuries and he started preaching Jesus. He got a great response. Paul was hand picked by Jesus to spread the word to the Gentiles. Are you naive enough to think that Jesus wouldn't know what Paul would turn out to be? He picked Paul for a reason and Paul did Jesus's bidding. He taught the truth as taught to him by the Lord and many don't like to hear the truth.

The so called expulsion was years later when the church was back sliding. The false teachers, the gnostics, were getting the upper hand and turning the church away from Jesus. So no, James wasn't preaching against Paul. He was preaching to those who were trying to slide along in their salvation without working to better the church.

It is sort of strange that Paul's instructions and calling from Jesus was not public and Jesus forgot to tell us he was sending someone to amend his teachings. Paul seems a nut case. Don't swallow a camel while trying to reconcile Paul and Jesus.


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Paul didn't amend anything Jesus taught. Jesus preached to the Jews who were under the law. He sent Paul to the Gentiles who were not under the law. The basic message of salvation by faith is the same but the approach is very different.


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''There is no coming to consciousness without pain'' said Carl Jung. A false belief such as taught by Paul can be awfully hard to turn loose of. I know, I had to after examining him vs. Jesus. It is sort of like but way worse than having to admit you have made a bad investment. I've had to admit that occasionally also.


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It seems that some of you hold to works and laws as a way of being more holy, acceptable, righteous.

Do you imagine that you will stand before God and give a glowing account of those good things that you have done? What if you do 49 of 50 things but miss that last one?

If the salvation of Mankind required Christ’s death that would be considered the greatest price to accomplish that salvation. If that greatest price is what accomplished the gift of Life through Christ how in the world will your miserable world keep you saved, in fellowship, from backsliding?

Salvation is from outside us to us. Not within us. It is a free gift. If we rely on our actions to keep us where we need to be we might as well live like there is no tomorrow because we are already in hell. No man can make the cut.

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K22.

Have you read much C S Lewis? I find him to be pretty much on target. None of the superstitious hyper spiritual junk with him.

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Originally Posted by K22
This seems very appropriate in this thread...............

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]


I think it fits very well in to what our society has come to due to this virus and the fear of it too.

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K22.

Have you read much C S Lewis? I find him to be pretty much on target. None of the superstitious hyper spiritual junk with him.



Yes I have. The whole family has read all of his writings.
Many times we read about someone saying something or writing something that is quite profound and futuristic, so I often ask myself, who was this person..........really.
The answer for me...............more than likely one of the Majestic 12.


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This seems very appropriate in this thread...............

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]


I think it fits very well in to what our society has come to due to this virus and the fear of it too.


Except now, its not peoples fear keeping them home from work, its satans minion in the WH and satans Faukki and satans CDC firing them for not taking the vipers venom.

Should they then just take the vax and maybe die and go to heaven, depending on His saying the vipers bite will not harm them, referring to their salvation?


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This seems very appropriate in this thread...............

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]


I think it fits very well in to what our society has come to due to this virus and the fear of it too.


Except now, its not peoples fear keeping them home from work, its satans minion in the WH and satans Faukki and satans CDC firing them for not taking the vipers venom.

Should they then just take the vax and maybe die and go to heaven, depending on His saying the vipers bite will not harm them, referring to their salvation?



Fear is what is keeping people at home. Fear of being arrested, fear of the mandates, ect.


Do you go to Heaven if you take the "Mark" ?

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Originally Posted by Jim1611
Originally Posted by K22
This seems very appropriate in this thread...............

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]


I think it fits very well in to what our society has come to due to this virus and the fear of it too.
Unfortunately, Lewis didn't write that. It's a badly twisted excerpt from the Screwtape Letters. He never wrote anything titled 'An Old Devils Letters to the Young'.


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Originally Posted by Huntz
Salvation??It is so easy that you do not need to quote a multitude of passages from the Bible.You either believe Christ is your Savior or you don`t.Its like a bunch of old hens here, clucking over trivial matters.Blah,blah,blah,yada,yada,yada.



There is nothing "trivial" about ANY part of the Word of God.

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Salvation is a process, not a one-time event. Salvation is in degrees, not necessarily all-or-nothing. We will each receive our reward according to our merits. Some will get more than others.
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