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The first two I thought of were 338’06 and 35 whelen…… buuuuuut, I’m a rifle nut and I love 8mm and I love 180&200gr tsx and I once thought about an 8mm/06 but then knew I probably couldn’t take it to Africa and…. Yeah. A lot of ands…. I’d day 338’06 and 210TSX and live happily ever after.
But then there’s the short action option and 338 federal or 358! There I go again.
338’06. Final answer 😂 I feel your pain 😎
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Well, you could be practical and hunt the rifle you have, even if the barrel is cut down. It will work great.
Other than that, what Mainer said.
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Am I missing anything that I should be considering?
Yes. How about putting that 30-06 in the Brown Precision stock, trimming the barrel to 22" if necessary, and leaving it at that? If you feel the 300 mag has enough steam to do the job at 450 yards than there's no logical reason to doubt the efficacy of the 30-06 out to your 200 yard specification. All of the above except for a 20" barrel.
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I have had 3 of 338-06 std and Imp, 35 W (3), 375-06 AI. Zero 9.3-62.
Full loads in a 30/06 are so close to the 338-06 that it isn’t worth the effort going to the 338-06. Incidentally, I think velocities are commonly overstated or the cartridge pressures are overloaded by fans of this cartridge. 250’s at 2450 are tops, as is 2625 for 225’s, and 2700 for 210’s especially in a 22” barrel. Your 30/06 will get pretty close to 2700. I don’t see the advantage.
The 35-36-37’s are more but for your purposes not that important. Someday you may try the 168 TTSX which gives velocity and penetration. Much flatter shooting than any of the others you considered. Until then the 200’s are very good.
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I wouldnt alter your pre 64 if it’s in good shape, I have a 1952 Sporter in 30-06 as well and it’s a gem. That said having owned both the whelen and 338-06, my preference is the 338. I had JES punch out a Kimber montana and chop it to 21 inches. It pushes a 205 hammer at 2800 with RL17 easily. I’d find a different donor and build a 338-06 off of that.
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If I wanted lighter and more handy timber thumper id do a .358 win on a short action.
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"I may have to try the Barnes TTSX too. I’ve heard good things about them penetrating like crazy" This is a 185TTSX from my .338-06. Pulled from a moose after it went through 3/4 of the length. Not sure how much more penetration you'd need for an elk. My son shot 2 moose last month within a couple minutes of each other. Neither went more than 20 yards after a single shot a piece.
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"I may have to try the Barnes TTSX too. I’ve heard good things about them penetrating like crazy" This is a 185TTSX from my .338-06. Pulled from a moose after it went through 3/4 of the length. Not sure how much more penetration you'd need for an elk. My son shot 2 moose last month within a couple minutes of each other. Neither went more than 20 yards after a single shot a piece. Shooting 2 moose in a couple of minutes is certainly,,Piling up the Work!
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My first cow elk was with a 30-06, 23" Douglas barreled (#3) Mod 70 Featherweight (PF) and the Hornady Lite Magnum 180sp. 2x7 scope. I then had an opportunity to go to South Africa. I found a used Mod 700 Classic in 35 Whelen, had it reamed out to the Ackley, trigger adjusted to 3# and a Decelerator pad put on. Added a 1.5x5 Leupold on it. I fireformed my brass and used the old ( at that time it was new!) 250X right at 2600. I put it 1" high at 100. I shot Blue Wildebeest, Red Hartebeest, Kudu, Zebra, and Oryx. I recovered only 2, lengthwise shots on the zebra and kudu (over 3 ft) It was "my" observation" that using a big gun on big animals was perfect! It chilled their doo-doo pronto! Later in life I found another Mod 700 Classic and had it put in a Brown Precision High Country (that's the one you want!) and added a brake ( I'd had a neck surgery so had to then) I used the 200X, shot zebra and Black wildebeest ( 347yds on wildebeest, 250 on the zebra) never recovered a bullet! But I will add...a 30-06 with a 200gr bullet (or 220 round nose or Woodleigh 240 or 168-180 TTSX) is an awesome round! Just saying...now I have a 22" Ruger 77 in 338 RCM and will work with the 180AB, 200BT and the 205 Hammer. 2x8 Vortex Razor on it. Sheboygin! have a ball Pard...but try it in 30-06 first! I have also had a Mod 70 Featherweight rebarreled to 9.3x62 and worked up the 286 Nosler. I gave that rifle to a young friend (had a young family & no money!) and killed a big spike that year standing behind a screen of buckbrush...35 yds, straight down! I used a Mod 700 BDL SS in .375 H&h (them they cost $350 bucks!) that was very light and a joy to use, same with the Mod 700 Classic in 375 H&H, awesome rifles! That is another way to go, light and fast 375 H&H!
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Leave you mdl 70 alone and buy my Mauser project in 338-06. ;-)) Metal work is done, needs a stock and a finish
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I have had 3 of 338-06 std and Imp, 35 W (3), 375-06 AI. Zero 9.3-62.
Full loads in a 30/06 are so close to the 338-06 that it isn’t worth the effort going to the 338-06.
My 275 grain swift A-frame loads over 63 grains of 2000 MR aren't close to a 30-06.
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Great thread lads! Lots of good input and perspectives.
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I have just finished installing an NECG peep with new, higher front blade on my Ruger 9.3. Going to hunt it with just the peep this year. It is fast handling without the scope and the round is obviously a dandy.
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I have had 3 of 338-06 std and Imp, 35 W (3), 375-06 AI. Zero 9.3-62.
Full loads in a 30/06 are so close to the 338-06 that it isn’t worth the effort going to the 338-06.
My 275 grain swift A-frame loads over 63 grains of 2000 MR aren't close to a 30-06. The 338-06 is a cool round. So, one needs both, that and an '06 (or two). I have one 338-06, two 30-06's. But, for sure, that doesn't make the old original '06 twice as good... But, I have safe full of rifles chambered for other rounds, for if and when I get bored with those two..... Loony stuff... DF
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I would leave the 30-06 a 30-06 and just go kill elk. If the max range you are shooting is under 500 yards, you already have a fantastic elk cartridge.
You ought to look up the thread "deceased by Scenar" and see just how effective the 155 Scenars, when fired out of .308s and 30-06s are.
A 155 Scenar at 2900-3000 fps would certainly be plenty.
In spite of what neophytes and flatlanders say and think, you don't need cartridges that often get used for African dangerous game just to shoot an elk. The are really not that hard to kill in spite of BS spouted.
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I would leave the 30-06 a 30-06 and just go kill elk. If the max range you are shooting is under 500 yards, you already have a fantastic elk cartridge.
You ought to look up the thread "deceased by Scenar" and see just how effective the 155 Scenars, when fired out of .308s and 30-06s are.
A 155 Scenar at 2900-3000 fps would certainly be plenty.
In spite of what neophytes and flatlanders say and think, you don't need cartridges that often get used for African dangerous game just to shoot an elk. The are really not that hard to kill in spite of BS spouted.
This. Makes way too much sense. DF
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After hunting in the area you’ve described I built a 350 RM on a 600 action and used 250 grain bullets. I think I’d be using a 35 Whelen in the cartridges you’ve covered. But I built a 375 Whelen AI that I might use too. But you can’t go wrong with the 35 Whelen IMO.
The 30-06 with good bullets would work well too.
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The logical choice is the 35 Whelen without a doubt
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My black timber elk rifle is an older Remington 760 in 270.
If you want to put a bigger hole in your game, how about a 9.3x62?
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I suspect you'd notice a difference.
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