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Anybody load 12 ga. buckshot? #15208377 09/09/20
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I bought the ugliest shotgun ever made, an AK-12. I'm looking for loading data using Winchester AA hulls, possibly 800X powder. I've got 8 pounds of the 800X. Any help sure would be appreciated.


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Re: Anybody load 12 ga. buckshot? [Re: arkypete] #15210475 09/10/20
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Few years back a buddy bought one of those , factory buck gets expensive in a hurry. I was out east hunting and hit a convenience store for gas and coffee, they had an extensive selection of Federal shotshells in steel loads and were clearing some out. They had 2 3/4" 55 pellet loads of T steel @$55/flat. I thought that ought to work. So I dialed him up on the cell and told him about it, he jumped on it. You can throw some pretty serious swaths of larger shot in a AK style 12 ga. MB


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If you can find one the 3rd edn of the Lyman Shotshell Handbook on pages 266-267 lists a dozen Buckshot loads utilizing the AA hull, some of the loads actually utilizing the WAA12R (red) wad. And their were no loads utilizing 800x. In my old Dupont manuals they only show the use of straight wall hulls for buck, nor did they show use of 800x for buck loads. Sometimes you can't have everything you want easily. MB


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The BPI Buckshot Manual lacks it, as well.

Lyman’s 5th addition uses Winchester HS, but they don’t put 800-X in them.

For 2.75” 00B using 800-X, Rio and Federal plastic Gold Metal hulls are your friends. If you go with Rio hulls, you either have to go with European primers that fit or hope you can recondition the primer pocket to fit 209s. If you go with the latter, you’ll have to pick a 209 that has relatively the same amount of heat that the Rio does.


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Ray, in edn 3 on page291 it has a buckshot size table and says 344 #4 buck in 1 lb/7014 grains 7014÷344 =20.39 grains per pellet x 27 =550.5 grains per load that is just a few more grains than 1 1/4 oz. There are AA hull 1 1/4oz field loads with 800x ,hmm. My experience tells me in cold weather I don't get good ignition with 800x. OP might have to do his own experiments .I do my own sometimes when I think I need to but don't tell anyone else to do them.mb


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I hear ya, Bob.

To be honest, I pretty much stick to Blue Dot for slugs and buckshot, myself. The tone of the OP’s initial post suggested he really wants to use that 8lbs of 800-X, though.

I was offering what I’ve found in the books, which is that most published load data in the Lyman Gen 5 and BPI manuals uses the above mentioned hulls.

Like you, I’ve grown leery of providing unpublished load advice it today’s world. Especially shotgun. I don’t think its as pressure sensitive as the online community suggests, but despite not personally knowing anyone that’s blown up a shotgun, the stigma is there.


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Lyman 4th:

2-3/4”, 1-3/8 oz heavy field load, WAA12R wad, Win 209, 26.5 gr 800X

1298 FPS, 10,300 LUP


I am..........disturbed.

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Re: Anybody load 12 ga. buckshot? [Re: arkypete] #15214968 09/11/20
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ARKYpete, shoot that shotgun before you get froggy on heavy buckshot loads. Recoil is serious.

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[A couple of years ago Bride saw an ad for a couple of cases for 12 gauge shotgun shells on a neighborhood women's, FaceBook page. The ladies sell or give all sorts of stuff of interest to ladies and home owners. She called me and asked if I would be interested. Heck yes says me, find out the price and the size of the shot. The shot size was #4s, lead, and the cost was a hundred bucks. I jumped on it and threw the ammo closet. So I get this ugly gun throw a couple of boxes of #4s and a couple boxes of #7.5. I load the five-round mag up, it was a bit stiff but fit. Fired a couple of shots and thought I has been kicked by a mule. Set rifle down go look at the ammo box and it seems that I bought 3-inch mag, #4s. I find 3 boxes of 2 3/4, #4s,at Wally's world the next week and try them out, not bad. Things would have to get real serious to use those 3 inch #4s. So I've learned to look at what I'm buying, more carefully. Now I'm trying OO buckshot .
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uote=keith]ARKYpete, shoot that shotgun before you get froggy on heavy buckshot loads. Recoil is serious.[/quote]


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Re: Anybody load 12 ga. buckshot? [Re: keith] #15611732 01/05/21
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Originally Posted by keith
ARKYpete, shoot that shotgun before you get froggy on heavy buckshot loads. Recoil is serious.


The AK12 is a heavier gun and the gas operated mechanism will soak up recoil. It's likely much softer shooting than most duck guns.

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Bubba round tree is the place to start on loading Buckshot, excellent information with live demonstrations!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ezCOIj73wE&t=12s

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I made some loads of my own. It may not be right but they worked, I didn’t get blown up. I put the zero buck in the wad one at a time,sprinkled #9 shot in to take up the excess space to get the correct amount of weight. They would shoot hell out of pigs I caught in traps. I’ve forgotten how many 0 buck pellets would go in a 1 1/4 wad. The hard part is getting the correct weight in the wad, the zero buck wouldn’t be enough weight.

I made my own 0 buck, didn’t cost much for these shells. I marked the primer black with a permanent marker to know it was a buckshot. Used red for 9’s, green for 8’s, blue for 6’s. Do any of you do that?

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2 3/4" Remington Nitro hull, 12 of the 0 buck, 32-33g of LONGSHOT powder, Rem RP wad, 1400 fps...patterns very tight in a std full choke.


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