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Idaho to pay bounties on wolves #16520336 10/12/21
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At least in some areas where depredation on livestock and big game animals is excessive. A bounty can run as high as $2500. The question is, exactly where are those bounties available?


BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Idaho officials will make available up to $200,000 to be divided into payments for hunters and trappers who kill wolves in the state through next summer.

The Idaho Department of Fish and Game late last month entered into an agreement with a nonprofit hunting group to reimburse the expenses for a proven kill.

The agreement follows a change in Idaho law aimed at killing more wolves that are blamed for attacking livestock and reducing deer and elk herds. Montana this year also expanded when, where and how wolves can be killed.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, at the request of environmental groups concerned about the expanded wolf killing in the two states, last month announced a yearlong review to see if wolves in the U.S. West should be relisted under the Endangered Species Act.

Idaho has managed wolves since they were taken off the list in 2011.

State wildlife managers had been incrementally increasing wolf harvest during that time, but not fast enough for lawmakers, who earlier this year passed the law backed by some trappers and the powerful ranching sector.

Idaho Fish and Game Director Ed Schriever told lawmakers on the state Natural Resources Interim Committee during an informational meeting last month that the agency has been carefully tracking wolf kills.

“It is my opinion that they (U.S. Fish and Wildlife) will be looking at the change in harvest in Idaho over the next 12 months and looking at the components of that, and if there is a large change, and if it can be attributed to a change in regulatory mechanisms, that might be of considerable interest to them,” Schriever told lawmakers.

“I don’t think this thing is going to jump off of the rails, but I will assure you we are watching this very closely,” he said.

Schriever told lawmakers that wolf mortality through early September has not had a big spike compared to previous years. The new law took effect on July 1.

Idaho is also facing a potential lawsuit concerning the possible killing of federally protected grizzly bears and lynx due to the new law. Another environmental group has asked the U.S. Forest Service to protect wolves in wilderness areas in the two states from professional contract hunters and private reimbursement programs.

Idaho Republican Gov. Brad Little earlier this year signed the measure lawmakers said could lead to killing 90% of the state’s 1,500 wolves before federal authorities would take over management. Schriever said a new wolf population estimate will be available in January.

The $200,000 to pay for the reimbursement program is coming from licenses and fees paid by hunters to Fish and Game. That money will then be distributed by the state’s Wolf Depredation Control Board in the agreement with the Foundation for Wildlife Management, a hunting group that describes its mission as protecting deer and elk herds.

According the group’s website, the reimbursement program pays $2,500 for killing a wolf in an area where Fish and Game says wolves are chronically preying on livestock. The agency defines that as areas where at least one confirmed or probable livestock depredation has occurred each year for five years.

The group is paying $2,000 per wolf in hunting units where Fish and Game says predators are keeping elk from meeting management objectives. Hunters will get $1,000 per wolf in the northern tip of the state, and $500 elsewhere. The group notes reimbursements will be cut significantly if the money starts running out before June 2022.

Most of the high-dollar reimbursements are in central and west-central Idaho, and include designated wilderness areas.

Justin Webb, the group’s executive director, didn’t return a call from The Associated Press.

“This bounty system for wolves is one of the things that would contribute to the relisting of wolves,” said Jonathan Oppenheimer of the Idaho Conservation League, one of the groups that requested federal officials consider relisting. “This was a foreseeable consequence that the Fish and Wildlife Service would take a close look at some of the changes that were made.”

Besides setting up the reimbursement program, the new law also expands killing methods to include trapping and snaring wolves on a single hunting tag, no restriction on hunting hours, using night-vision equipment with a permit, using bait and dogs, and allowing hunting from motor vehicles. It also authorizes year-round wolf trapping on private property.

In Montana, state wildlife authorities approved a statewide harvest quota of 450 wolves, about 40% of the state’s wolf population. Methods for killing wolves that were previously outlawed can now be used. Those include snaring, baiting and night hunting. Trapping seasons have also been expanded.


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Re: Idaho to pay bounties on wolves [Re: Rock Chuck] #16520341 10/12/21
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Why is it acceptable that we killed off all the wolves but not the buffler?

Wolves....sneaky fast and tenacious.


But buffler....big stupid and slow. Those we couldn't have possibly killed off?

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That's serious money.
You'd think they were offering that for a Sasquatch.
If they don't impose too much red tape, the wolves would be eliminated from that state inside of five years. They aren't as prolific as yotes.

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Re: Idaho to pay bounties on wolves [Re: Rock Chuck] #16520360 10/12/21
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good deal

too many wolves

I can hear the tree huggers now


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Re: Idaho to pay bounties on wolves [Re: Rock Chuck] #16520368 10/12/21
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Tinfoil hat comment ;

Is someone trying to get the snowflake tree-huggers all wound up enough to go all-in on closing/relisting wolves as endangered --> again ?

This administration would seemingly enjoy screwing over a bunch of ''gun-people'' .


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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Why is it acceptable that we killed off all the wolves but not the buffler?

Wolves....sneaky fast and tenacious.


But buffler....big stupid and slow. Those we couldn't have possibly killed off?


I think "we" did a dang good job on both of those species................along with a few dozen more.

I do wish they'd restock the LA basin with grizz though. That might raise a ruckus, and I ain't talkin' about no beer getter for the 'flave.


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Originally Posted by ol_mike
Tinfoil hat comment ;

Is someone trying to get the snowflake tree-huggers all wound up enough to go all-in on closing/relisting wolves as endangered --> again ?

This administration would seemingly enjoy screwing over a bunch of ''gun-people'' .


I'd be willing to bet the ID Legislature and their F&G Dept are just tired of hearing from hunters and ranchers about the depredations the wolf numbers are having on livestock and big game. The folks here who have hunted wolves there mention repeatedly how tough it is to get even one wolf. "Hunting" as it has been so far is not keeping the numbers in check.

I doubt seriously there's any concerted effort to get the wolf lovers involved in a backhanded way. My impression, from when I lived up that way and from listening here is that the Idaho folks are tired of the wolves. Of course, ANYTHING they do to reduce numbers will be looked at with suspicion by the animal rights groups and they will appeal to USFWS to look at Idaho numbers again.

Just be glad there's no "Wild wolves and coyotes" Act like there is for horses and burros. The horse population in our area is well above the recommendation prescribed by law but gathering them up every year has very little effect other than to reduce the population a bit...............for the winter. Next year, another roundup.

Wolves will likely be the same thing soon enough. Reduce levels to a point where the hunts are cancelled, populations rebound, start all over again.


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Re: Idaho to pay bounties on wolves [Re: Rock Chuck] #16520430 10/12/21
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A guy that's experienced in hunting and trapping wolfs could make some serious coin.


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Re: Idaho to pay bounties on wolves [Re: Rock Chuck] #16520481 10/12/21
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As a non-resident who knows very little about the Idaho wolf population:
Would it be possible to sell tags to out of staters to hunt? Seems that would raise $ for the DNR, and any ranchers having trouble, AAAAND my damn dollars could be kept right in the good ol USA instead of Canada. Heck, we might even kill a couple

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Originally Posted by Koon
As a non-resident who knows very little about the Idaho wolf population:
Would it be possible to sell tags to out of staters to hunt? Seems that would raise $ for the DNR, and any ranchers having trouble, AAAAND my damn dollars could be kept right in the good ol USA instead of Canada. Heck, we might even kill a couple


They sell non-resident tags by the thousand .


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Re: Idaho to pay bounties on wolves [Re: Rock Chuck] #16520506 10/12/21
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A good idea, unfortunately the idiots in DC are considering relisting wolves and taking it out of states hands.

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Originally Posted by whackem_stackem
A guy that's experienced in hunting and trapping wolfs could make some serious coin.

That guy might be hard to find, since they've been protected for a long time. Might find a couple in Alaska or Canaduh, for that kind of money.

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When I went elk hunting in the mountains of northern Idaho a few years ago with a friend who lives there, I bought a wolf tag. Still have it.


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Originally Posted by Heym06
Originally Posted by whackem_stackem
A guy that's experienced in hunting and trapping wolfs could make some serious coin.

That guy might be hard to find, since they've been protected for a long time. Might find a couple in Alaska or Canaduh, for that kind of money.



I think there are a few more around than you think. Good trappers are capable enough but when you add in snares they get a big leg up. Wolves cover big country a trapper has to go a long way to get a wolf line out, that costs money.
How often are they required to check traps and snares?
If they collect the bounty can the trapper also keep the pelt?
All things equal, the good trappers will do ok but without using poison the wolves will continue to prosper, they will adjust.

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Originally Posted by Osky
Originally Posted by Heym06
Originally Posted by whackem_stackem
A guy that's experienced in hunting and trapping wolfs could make some serious coin.

That guy might be hard to find, since they've been protected for a long time. Might find a couple in Alaska or Canaduh, for that kind of money.



I think there are a few more around than you think. Good trappers are capable enough but when you add in snares they get a big leg up. Wolves cover big country a trapper has to go a long way to get a wolf line out, that costs money.
How often are they required to check traps and snares?
If they collect the bounty can the trapper also keep the pelt?
All things equal, the good trappers will do ok but without using poison the wolves will continue to prosper, they will adjust.

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Trap/Snare check every 72 hours .


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According to Idaho there are approximately 1500 wolves in the state. With a bounty fund of $200k, at an average pay out of say $1000 per wolf scattered among the units that have bounties, that's 200 wolves before the fund runs dry. 200 wolves will only put a small dent in the population. Plus there are other areas that will see wolf harvest also, but still probably not enough to cause a significant decline that USF&W can find fault with. If there are local problem areas with wolves, more concentrated trapping/snaring in those areas may put enough of a dent to reduce livestock depredation.

Although the optics of trapping the big, huggable wolf are terrible, the fact that Idaho targeted problem areas is biologically defensible management.


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Originally Posted by ol_mike
Originally Posted by Osky
Originally Posted by Heym06
Originally Posted by whackem_stackem
A guy that's experienced in hunting and trapping wolfs could make some serious coin.

That guy might be hard to find, since they've been protected for a long time. Might find a couple in Alaska or Canaduh, for that kind of money.



I think there are a few more around than you think. Good trappers are capable enough but when you add in snares they get a big leg up. Wolves cover big country a trapper has to go a long way to get a wolf line out, that costs money.
How often are they required to check traps and snares?
If they collect the bounty can the trapper also keep the pelt?
All things equal, the good trappers will do ok but without using poison the wolves will continue to prosper, they will adjust.

Osky


Trap/Snare check every 72 hours .


A 72 hour check will be very helpful to trappers in an assortment of ways. I should think anyone having to trap wolves in Idaho must attend certification classes? Does Idaho have a reciprosity rule for out state trappers?
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Originally Posted by Koon
As a non-resident who knows very little about the Idaho wolf population:
Would it be possible to sell tags to out of staters to hunt? Seems that would raise $ for the DNR, and any ranchers having trouble, AAAAND my damn dollars could be kept right in the good ol USA instead of Canada. Heck, we might even kill a couple
Idaho non-res wolf tags are $32. They did limit you to 15 of them but I think they might have dropped the limit. Also, you can use your deer or elk tag on a wolf but considering the cost of those, you're better off just buying a wolf tag.


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Jim conrad: Do you want vast herds of Buffalo stepping on your children and grandchildren wiping out your fences and doing other misdeeds?
I loves me some Buffalo and have several hundred living just south, just north and just northeast of me - but they don't need to be around by the millions, anymore.
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Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Why is it acceptable that we killed off all the wolves but not the buffler?

Wolves....sneaky fast and tenacious.


But buffler....big stupid and slow. Those we couldn't have possibly killed off?


I think "we" did a dang good job on both of those species................along with a few dozen more.

I do wish they'd restock the LA basin with grizz though. That might raise a ruckus, and I ain't talkin' about no beer getter for the 'flave.


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