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Originally Posted by JPro
Okay. Well it used to be that a Ram or Dakota would fall apart going down the road. Now it seems that they last longer and can compete better with Ford and GM. I have not a clue where they're made or who actually makes them, but they're apparently not the turd they once were, which is good for the consumer.


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I currently have a 2014 2500 Ram with the 6.7L Cummins. 180k miles so far. Have replaced the water pump and upper radiator hose (preventive maintenance), a rear axle seal, and upgraded the transmission with a Garmon Performance Diesel towing unit. King Racing off road shocks. The transmission had not failed, but with the tune I knew it would be a matter of time. Other than that, it has been boringly reliable. Original ball joints, one set of brake pads, and tires, other than regular maintenance.

My previous truck, a 2003 with Cummins, I drove to almost 300k miles, with a similar track record. When I'm done with this one, I will be taking a look at the Tundra, only because Diesel emissions are becoming more of a PITA, and the EPA is getting tougher. I know I'll miss the torque when towing, though..

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New tundra looks like a heck of a rig. Probably will beat out the current best half ton - the old tundra.

Funny all the chat about dodges on a tundra thread.


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I have a deposit down on a 2022 Tundra Limited TRD, double cab, 6 1/2ft bed, with the IForce hybrid drive. I'm willing to take the chance on a new one. The IForce requirement will delay my delivery. The 437 HP and 583 ft-lb torgue is worth the wait...and better gas mileage.


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Originally Posted by Boise
I have a deposit down on a 2022 Tundra Limited TRD, double cab, 6 1/2ft bed, with the IForce hybrid drive. I'm willing to take the chance on a new one. The IForce requirement will delay my delivery. The 437 HP and 583 ft-lb torgue is worth the wait...and better gas mileage.


Curious. What's the sticker on it?


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Been watching several videos on youtube with the new Tundra on them. Going to drive the 2015 another year or two and see how the new one looks in person. Hard to leave the reliability that I have seen from 4 4runners, 2 Tundras, 2 T100s, a Camry and a Tacoma. And its nice that its made in Texas too. Keep seeing the made in Mexico stuff from others and it bothers me a bit.

Pups will be riding out the fall in the Tundra again lol.

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Originally Posted by badger
Originally Posted by Boise
I have a deposit down on a 2022 Tundra Limited TRD, double cab, 6 1/2ft bed, with the IForce hybrid drive. I'm willing to take the chance on a new one. The IForce requirement will delay my delivery. The 437 HP and 583 ft-lb torgue is worth the wait...and better gas mileage.


Curious. What's the sticker on it?


No sticker pricing yet, assuming similar to a 2021 and that will be around $55k.


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I’m not impressed by the NiMh hybrid battery, particularly from a longevity and replacement cost standpoint.

Round numbers, if the battery pack lasts 150K miles, and the hybrid gets 23 mpg vs 20 of the standard truck, you save roughly 1,000 gallons in those 150K miles. Replacing a Prius pack at the dealer is $4K.

I’m not seeing the economic benefit here. Useful for towing torque, yes, but that’s a lot of added complexity and cost without an economic return.


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23 vs 20 sound like highway MPGs. If one drives lots of local miles, the numbers may be 23 vs 15MPG, if the 3.5TT can get 15MPG. The fuel savings could be 3478 gallons and at $3 or $4 a gallon, it can make economic sense


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You're right, but I'd have to see 23 vs 15 before I would believe it. That seems wildly optimistic to me.


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TFLTrucks on YouTube ran a new Tundra a few hundred highway miles and calculated 18.6 MPG. Ot also has a chitty payload rating and not much of an improvement on towing capacity. Ugly as hell, and plastic rear bumper caps integrated into the bedside. No tow hooks either.

I've driven Tundras since 2002, but I think I'll be going back to Ford for my next truck.


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I like a bench front seat. I don't think it's an option on the new tundra.

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A pickumup without a bench seat? This is not right and this is not good.

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Dodge has always been second-rate in my mind, out of the domestics, but it seems they've made up a lot of ground in the last decade with regards to quality and technology. Good for them, and I'm glad to see better products out there for the consumer.


Technically Dodge isn’t a domestic anymore.


Explain please? Are they made in Mexico like Gm's?

I have owned Toyotas for a very very long time , it is the first time in many years that there is not one in the Driveway. Initial Mileages coming from the new Tundra is 18-19 mpg range in 4x4. Big improvement over the 5.7 but still not enough to compete.

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The Dodges I looked at are made in Mexico and the profits go to Italy.

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The Dodges I looked at are made in Mexico and the profits go to Italy.

Which Ram would that be? They make the classics in Mexico , the others are made in the US. Gm makes their trucks in Mexico and the profits go to the Labor unions.

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Ram 2500 Diesel I looked at was from Mexico.

Here is a list of the Ram Trucks that the Saltillo Assembly Plant in Mexico currently builds:

Ram 1500 Classic (Regular Cab – for the Canadian and U.S. markets)
Ram 2500
Ram 3500
Ram 3500 Chassis Cab
Ram 4000 (spec Chassis Cab model – for the Mexican market)
Ram 4500 Chassis Cab
Ram 5500 Chassis Cab

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Buy america


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Yep, narrows it down to Tundra and Ford.

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Originally Posted by Dutch
I’m not impressed by the NiMh hybrid battery, particularly from a longevity and replacement cost standpoint.

Round numbers, if the battery pack lasts 150K miles, and the hybrid gets 23 mpg vs 20 of the standard truck, you save roughly 1,000 gallons in those 150K miles. Replacing a Prius pack at the dealer is $4K.

I’m not seeing the economic benefit here. Useful for towing torque, yes, but that’s a lot of added complexity and cost without an economic return.


I agree with this - with any truck that actually get used like a truck, complexity in a drivetrain is not a good thing IMO. Personally, I am willing to sacrifice a couple miles per gallon for something simpler and time-proven.

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Originally Posted by 30338
The Dodges I looked at are made in Mexico and the profits go to Italy.

Toyotas profits go to japan

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