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Everyone overthinks this, every time.

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But, hunters generally don't buck their PH's recommendations, even though they may know better.

Some here have said, it's your hunt, you dictate. That's easier said than done, especially with a first time hunter.

As has been rehashed numerous times here, PH's are not always gun guys, often know less technical info about ordinance than their client.

I've not been over there, no plans to go. But, good friends have been. And, I've loaded PG and DG ammo..

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
But, hunters generally don't buck their PH's recommendations, even though they may know better.

Some here have said, it's your hunt, you dictate. That's easier said than done, especially with a first time hunter.

As has been rehashed numerous times here, PH's are not always gun guys, often know less technical info about ordinance than their client.

I've not been over there, no plans to go. But, good friends have been. And, I've loaded PG and DG ammo..

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As I said earlier, we all have different personalities. I would not want to start off a several day hunt with a knock down argument with my PH. As long as I think what he wants me to do will work, I’ll humor him. If he wants something different than what I would choose, I’m most likely to think that it is overkill. It’s no big deal to me to load 300 grain instead of 270 grain bullets. I worked up accurate loads for 300 grain TSXs and A-Frames several years ago. The issue with solids in the magazine is trickier because I think an expanding solid will do the job. But I ought to be able to load a solid to minute of Buffalo. I know things can happen, but I believe I have the discipline to not take a first shot unless it looks right. I’ve never hunted Buffalo, but I have hunted lots of things on four continents.


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With the 300 TSX you might shoot thru one and wound another. Then the rodeo begins plus a few thousand dollars.
I have only killed 8 with a single 270 TSX each.

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With the 300 TSX you might shoot thru one and wound another. Then the rodeo begins plus a few thousand dollars.
I have only killed 8 with a single 270 TSX each.


I hear ya!


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Originally Posted by RinB


With the 300 TSX you might shoot thru one and wound another. Then the rodeo begins plus a few thousand dollars.
I have only killed 8 with a single 270 TSX each.

Yeah, if one goes on a hunt with a non compromising attitude about bullets, etc. and something goes a bit wrong, I'd think that wouldn't be a good scenario for the client to have much of an argument. I wouldn't want to be in that position.

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With the 300 TSX you might shoot thru one and wound another. Then the rodeo begins plus a few thousand dollars.
I have only killed 8 with a single 270 TSX each.

Yeah, if one goes on a hunt with a non compromising attitude about bullets, etc. and something goes a bit wrong, I'd think that wouldn't be a good scenario for the client to have much of an argument. I wouldn't want to be in that position.

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Exactly. You are hiring the PH, and while it's good to get along, they're your employee.

As some have stated (and I have found while hunting with a couple dozen PHs), they're not always very knowledgeable about bullet performance.


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It’s my hunt, I’m paying the bill. I’ll use what bullets I want to use, end of story. Solids are not needed at all for Buffalo these days, plenty of better choices for a client hunter. Save them for elephant or hippo. I’ve never had a PH tell me what bullets or calibers I should use.

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Originally Posted by John55
It’s my hunt, I’m paying the bill. I’ll use what bullets I want to use, end of story. Solids are not needed at all for Buffalo these days, plenty of better choices for a client hunter. Save them for elephant or hippo. I’ve never had a PH tell me what bullets or calibers I should use.

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Exactly. You are hiring the PH, and while it's good to get along, they're your employee.

As some have stated (and I have found while hunting with a couple dozen PHs), they're not always very knowledgeable about bullet performance.


These 2 post sum up my sentiments perfectly




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Ph asks what bullet are you using. You say 300 gr SAF. He smiles, chit dies, he’s seen this movie before. It’s pretty simple . MAGA

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As long as you are using TSX or A-Frames, or maybe Northfork Softs, you don't need solids. Every year, more PHs figure this out.

I've whacked more than a few buff with 270 and 300 grain A-Frames. I wouldn't want to live off any difference.

Pick whichever you can get and shoot best in your rifle. Shoot up a bunch of Hornadys in practice.


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I went to a lot of trouble and expense (his dime), getting my good bud set up for an upcoming DG hunt. Getting solids (Swift Breakaway) set up with POI to match NPT's and SAF's took some doing. His South Africa PH insisted on softs and solids, so that's what we did. .416 Rem. not .375, but the concept is the same.

Another good bud killed a nice Buff in Zim, using a .416 Rigby and a 400 TSX. One bullet, one buff. Seems in Zim, the PH consensus appears to be more along the lines of the TSX, not necessarily softs and solids. In South Africa, seems they're more into softs and solids.

Could this be a regional thing? I've seen reports of other Zim PH's recommending TSX's. Ya reckon area PH's compare notes and go with the consensus? Are some areas more "progressive" than others. I hate to use that word, but it is what it is. Any comments or observations?

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Good question.

I’m getting a lot of advice beyond recommendations for solid bullets. I am “listening” to all of that. Perhaps the PH is like my employee and should just do what I want. When I supervised people I almost never issued “orders.” I had a successful career, rising to a senior executive position in a very large organization, and have had a long and happy life using listening, negotiation, and compromise rather than issuing ultimatums.


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When I hunted Zim the TSXs weren’t on the market. Later safaris in Tanzania the PHs loved TSXs and were using them in their rifles for everything but elephant. I can tell you a 450gr TSX shot from a 450 Dakota is sudden death on buffalo. Unless it’s a herd situation where a TSX would pass thru the target animal and wound another behind it, I’d use the TSX every time. For the herd shot a Swift or NF soft would be my choice. A few years back a good friend hunted Zim for buffalo and plains game. He used a 375 with NPTs and his 450 Dakota loaded with TSXs. When he got the chance on buffalo it was in a small group so he shot with the 375. Made a good hit but as usual the bull took off with the others. A quick run and they caught up to it lagging behind so the 450 was put into action. One shot and the buffalo hit the dirt. PH was impressed!

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Whatever on I can find two boxes of before July....

I would like Trophy Bonded Sledgehammer or Monalithic or Barnes Solids.

I will be shooting 300 Grain Trophy Bonded Bearclaws but want a handful solids for backup. Will practice with 1 1/2 boxes and take 10 solids with me.

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Originally Posted by Termin8r
Whatever on I can find two boxes of before July....

I would like Trophy Bonded Sledgehammer or Monalithic or Barnes Solids.

I will be shooting 300 Grain Trophy Bonded Bearclaws but want a handful solids for backup. Will practice with 1 1/2 boxes and take 10 solids with me.


I have plenty of 300gr Barnes Banded Solids. PM me if you want


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Originally Posted by Termin8r
Whatever on I can find two boxes of before July....

I would like Trophy Bonded Sledgehammer or Monalithic or Barnes Solids.

I will be shooting 300 Grain Trophy Bonded Bearclaws but want a handful solids for backup. Will practice with 1 1/2 boxes and take 10 solids with me.


I have plenty of 300gr Barnes Banded Solids. PM me if you want

I had to rely on Fire contributors when I was putting together loads for my bud. Some of these components were not to be found. One box of bullets was the last one Graf and sons had. Good luck. And, you may want to get some help from your friends.

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here is a copper clad steel jacketed 300 grain bullet that would be my choice.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010829094?pid=595477

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Originally Posted by vapodog
here is a copper clad steel jacketed 300 grain bullet that would be my choice.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010829094?pid=595477


Good to know. Thank you

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