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Beginning part of the week I went and shot some test loads for a 30 06. I bought the gun new a few weeks ago. I was using IMR 4350 and testing in the 55-57 grain range using Hornady 180 grain Interlocks. One load, the 57.4 grain load did something strange. I use 4 shot groups, and 2 bullets cut the same hole, then the other 2 cut that same hole again, but about 2 inches at the 11 o'clock position.

Today I went and shot again going in .3 grain increments around the 56-57 grain mark. I purposely did not check my records to see which charge weight had done it, thought I will focus on consistend hold. Well the 57.2 grain load did the same thing. Exactly the same, 2 bullets cut the same hole, but this time they were 1 3\4 apart at the 10 o'clock position. Has me wondering if it is a fluke? I made sure my rifle hold was consistent, not resting on the sling stud etc. Just not sure what to think. Chrono numbers looked decent, 35 fps ES and 12 SD average of 2740 fps. Brass was once fired Remington, CCI 200 primers.

Rifle is a new Weatherby Vanguard with the bronze cerekoting. I am beginning to wonder if it is a bedding\ stock issue. I pulled the stock off to adjust the trigger, weatherby specifies 35 inch lbs torque on the action screws but I dont have a torque wrench...or maybe it is just a strange fluke???!!! Thoughts, advice? Thanks

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It very well might be the bedding. Is the barrel free-floated, or does it have a "tip hump" that presses on the barrel? My experience is that just is that Weatherbys of all models shoot more consistently when the barrels are free-floated--and many aren't from the factory.

The torque isn't a big deal, but the relatively light recommendation of 35 inch-pounds can indicate the stock might flex too much with more torque.


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John is a lot smarter at this stuff than I am but IME when a rifle consistently "jumps" like that it is something mechanical so the suspicion is bedding, mounts, scope.


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No it is not free floated. I wondered if that may be my issue.


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Yep! It can also definitely be mounts or scope, but have found barrel bedding to be the most common problem.


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Thanks John. Is there a good tutorial somewhere on how to free float the barrel? I have never attempted to do one. Also would you recommend bedding the action as well or would you just free float the barrel?


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You might as well do both at the same time. Ammo is expensive.

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Originally Posted by Jevyod
Thanks John. Is there a good tutorial somewhere on how to free float the barrel? I have never attempted to do one. Also would you recommend bedding the action as well or would you just free float the barrel?


I would just free-float the barrel first. Often the action bedding is fine, even on inexpensive factory rifles.

You might want to consider a copy of my book RIFLE TROUBLE-SHOOTING AND HANDLOADING. It's basically a condensed, simpler version of my three GUN GACK books, and perhaps because it is shorter (and less expensive) it's still selling steadily close to a decade after it appeared. In fact we just had to order another printing. You can order it from our website www.riflesandrecipes.com, and the $24.50 price includes shipping in the U.S.


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Two groups.
Something ain't tight.

I'd listen to Mule Deer.
Especially if it shot ok before you pulled the stock.

Do they still use that cheesy hot glue crap to bed the lug?


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Thanks John. Is there a good tutorial somewhere on how to free float the barrel? I have never attempted to do one. Also would you recommend bedding the action as well or would you just free float the barrel?


I would just free-float the barrel first. Often the action bedding is fine, even on inexpensive factory rifles.

You might want to consider a copy of my book RIFLE TROUBLE-SHOOTING AND HANDLOADING. It's basically a condensed, simpler version of my three GUN GACK books, and perhaps because it is shorter (and less expensive) it's still selling steadily close to a decade after it appeared. In fact we just had to order another printing. You can order it from our website www.riflesandrecipes.com, and the $24.50 price includes shipping in the U.S.

Thank you! Will purchase one and try to float the barrel and see what happens!


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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
Two groups.
Something ain't tight.

I'd listen to Mule Deer.
Especially if it shot ok before you pulled the stock.

Do they still use that cheesy hot glue crap to bed the lug?

Didn't see any glue. I did pull the stock before I ever shot it so I could adjust the trigger so no idea if that exacerbated the problem.

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
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Thanks John. Is there a good tutorial somewhere on how to free float the barrel? I have never attempted to do one. Also would you recommend bedding the action as well or would you just free float the barrel?


I would just free-float the barrel first. Often the action bedding is fine, even on inexpensive factory rifles.

You might want to consider a copy of my book RIFLE TROUBLE-SHOOTING AND HANDLOADING. It's basically a condensed, simpler version of my three GUN GACK books, and perhaps because it is shorter (and less expensive) it's still selling steadily close to a decade after it appeared. In fact we just had to order another printing. You can order it from our website www.riflesandrecipes.com, and the $24.50 price includes shipping in the U.S.


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I read an article once that sometimes oal can cause this to happen, then it wasn't long and I had it happen to me so I said I was going to try what I read. I shortened the oal just a hair and it actually worked. Could have been a fluke but it has continued to have 1 group in this rifle.

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Originally Posted by DANNYL
I read an article once that sometimes oal can cause this to happen, then it wasn't long and I had it happen to me so I said I was going to try what I read. I shortened the oal just a hair and it actually worked. Could have been a fluke but it has continued to have 1 group in this rifle.


That ain't gonna work if the barrel bedding is screwy, and I would bet it is.


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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
Do they still use that cheesy hot glue crap to bed the lug?


I suspect you're thinking of the hot-glue bedding Winchester used for a while in Model 70s. I have owned a number of Weatherby rifles in the past couple decades, both Vanguards and Mark Vs, with both synthetic and wood stocks, and have never seen anything like that in their stock bedding.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
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I read an article once that sometimes oal can cause this to happen, then it wasn't long and I had it happen to me so I said I was going to try what I read. I shortened the oal just a hair and it actually worked. Could have been a fluke but it has continued to have 1 group in this rifle.


That ain't gonna work if the barrel bedding is screwy, and I would bet it is.

So would I. I bought three Vanguards in wood a few years back when Slummy and Renegade were telling us about the Walmart clearances. All three in 243.

All three rifles had a severe speed bump pressuring the barrel near the front of the stock.

One, I resold before messing with correction of the stock, or even shooting it.

The other two, I shot each as manufactured. They were both erratic. I wrapped some sand paper around a socket and cut the speed bumps out. After adjustment, both rifles shot to MOA with Leupold VX II 3x9 s on clearance at the same time.


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I guess I have been lucky. I have owned probably ten of them over the years and only one wouldn't do less than an inch without any changes at all.

I agree that free floated is probably best for consistency but I have left "good" alone because I have chased "perfect" too long and for too many dollars lol

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When something weird happens, gun geeks start trying stuff. The free float is one of the first things to try - can’t hurt right? Just 20 mins of effort can really change things. Let us know what happens.

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Shim it ….. test fire…..then float if it works ?

Apologize , I am not a writer , but I believe I have read this before recommended by JB ?

Just read the next thread , JB states this same , honest my statement was from previous recollection , probably one of the GACK volumes but still valid advice in my humble opinion not to make permanent alterations


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