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Don’t worry, “living wage” leads to automation, which leads to “basic universal income”, ie. welfare for the masses/wealth redistribution/communism/enslavement.
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No, they just need to get a skill that people are willing to pay them for. Then they need to show up, do their Fugging job and be a valued employee. That might require some $hit birds to give up their drug use. I know idiots that won’t give up smoking dope for a $50. / hour job.
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Yep. Legalized it here, now every thinks it’s ok to smoke weed at work, driving, etc…
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Minimum wage was never intended to be a liveable wage. Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs where people learn good work ethics like showing up on time, dependability, counting back change, customer service and so on. By learning these skills people make themselves more valuable so they can join the workforce, earn a living for their family, buy a car and/or a house and pay taxes so those who dont learn these skills can get their welfare checks and food stamps and free obama phones.
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your wage is a price, just like the price of hamburger. the price an employer is willing to pay is related to the value of your work to the organization.
one of the things unions tried to discourage was automation. the computer/chip revolution settled that issue. if a machine could do a job cheaper, guess what.
interestingly, union management was more willing to protect the ones who were left than try to protect those whose jobs were eliminated. at one company i
once worked for, management offered to reset pay levels to save some low seniority jobs. the union membership turned it down.
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. . . .counting back change .
I've not interacted with a cashier that did that or knew how in a very very long time. They all have to look at the register readout to figure the simplest of change. I can give a cashier in this area a ten dollar bill for a four dollar and fifty cent sale, and they still have to look at the register readout to figure out what to hand back. The so-called cashiers here will usually hand back five dimes for fifty cents change instead of the proper two quarters or fifty cent piece ( I can sort of understand that because nobody uses halves anymore) and five ones instead of the proper five dollar bill Counting back change physically and verbally used to be taught in school also besides at home People can't do basic math and they're mostly just barely functionally illiterate. That's the main reason that a kid with a name like Ranjit Pushhattpittaphot wins American spelling bees and other scholastic competitions
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your wage is a price, just like the price of hamburger. the price an employer is willing to pay is related to the value of your work to the organization.
one of the things unions tried to discourage was automation. the computer/chip revolution settled that issue. if a machine could do a job cheaper, guess what.
interestingly, union management was more willing to protect the ones who were left than try to protect those whose jobs were eliminated. at one company i
once worked for, management offered to reset pay levels to save some low seniority jobs. the union membership turned it down. You’re right that the value of a persons labor is the value it represents to the “market” and further, it should be based on supply vs demand. The fugked up part, is that Retard Joe and the liberal circus has decided to pay people not to work therefore manipulating the supply which falsely raises the demand. Capitalism can’t work if Low IQ politicians meddle with it.
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I forgot to mention bank tellers.
You know, the people that are supposed to count
money for a living ?
They dang sure can't count in the banks in this area.
They have to use the little electronic flippety floppety
money counting machine.
But they can sure speeka, so they get hired
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a living wage is a good thing
knowing how to manage your money is another and they could make 50 an hour but they will still be broke....
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Don’t worry, “living wage” leads to automation I am ok with that. I can work on automation equipment and program Robots. Job security.
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. . . .counting back change .
I've not interacted with a cashier that did that or knew how in a very very long time. They all have to look at the register readout to figure the simplest of change. I can give a cashier in this area a ten dollar bill for a four dollar and fifty cent sale, and they still have to look at the register readout to figure out what to hand back. The so-called cashiers here will usually hand back five dimes for fifty cents change instead of the proper two quarters or fifty cent piece ( I can sort of understand that because nobody uses halves anymore) and five ones instead of the proper five dollar bill Counting back change physically and verbally used to be taught in school also besides at home People can't do basic math and they're mostly just barely functionally illiterate. That's the main reason that a kid with a name like Ranjit Pushhattpittaphot wins American spelling bees and other scholastic competitions While working a concession stand at a ball game, I once showed an otherwise very intelligent girl how to count back change. She got it immediately, and looked at me like I'd just told her the secret to life. It is simply just not being taught.
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It’s tough to have a “living wage” when there are hundreds of thousands of illegals flooding the border every month. Most of them go to work somewhere and flood the market with low skill work. It especially suppresses ag and construction wages. Work visas to directly complete against our college grads don’t help either. Then factor in all of the jobs that we’ve allowed to be outsourced to China for slave labor wages for big business.
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I agree.
Wages for the lower middle class and below type jobs are dogshit.
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I was driving to go hunt yesterday and saw a sign at a McDonalds offering 14 an hour to start. That is decent money here for that type job.
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Maybe so few people can count back change today because so few people pay with cash today. The only thing I’ve used cash for in months is my entry fees for IDPA matches.
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a living wage is a good thing
knowing how to manage your money is another and they could make 50 an hour but they will still be broke.... Yep
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Maybe so few people can count back change today because so few people pay with cash today. The only thing I’ve used cash for in months is my entry fees for IDPA matches. I am appalled at how few of todays kids can set a points distributor, time a magneto or pour a babbitt bearing. Disgraceful.
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they said with a minimum wage increase all these services workers would be replaced by robots, self service kiosks, etc
yet business are desperate for workers now. Those threats, at the moment at least, seem pretty idle.
I don't know what a living wage is anymore, but I"m 100% against flooding our economy with immigrants who can be exploited to work the lowest possible wages.
I don't think an economy where a guy with a high school education can get a job that pays enough to keep him in a small apartment and driving a used car is a bad thing.
A minor derailment of the topic but I'll never understand why Trump was decried as racist. The people that benefited the most from his policies were young African American males and citizen latinos. They saw job opportunities and wage increases no other presidency offered them. And it was because he cut back on the annexation of America by Mexico.
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Living wage? Like living with it or find something better? BTDT. LOL
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Min wage laws are why Blacks and Latinos are excluded from the work force.
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