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the new Ram gassers (2500) do have 8 speeds in them now

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I'd take a strong look at the 7.3l gas. There are a few contractors that have them on our site in F350's and so far they love the power they have.

IIRC they're getting about 14mpg without pulling. I could certainly live with that! My F250 with the 5.4l got about 11mpg empty, for reference.


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Originally Posted by 1Longbow
Sold my 2016 Ram Cummins,with 50,000 miles on it and bought a 2021 Ford 250 with the 7.3 gas motor. Having been a Mopar guy my whole life ,I was thinking of a retirement truck and went with the gas motor. I pull a 8000 # TT and the new Ford pulls it very well. I liked the diesel, but was thinking ahead on the cost of repairs in the future. I think the 7.3 and the 10 speed transmission,is a great combo. If Ram had put an 8 speed tranny in their 3/4 ton truck,I probably would have gone that route. But so far very happy with the Ford


I do like that 8-speed on the rams too. My 2014 had one. Not one issue with it in 140k miles. What are you getting for mileage empty/towing?


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Ive only got 4000 miles on it, right now just driving around about 17mpg, towing about 14. I live in a very hilly area (65 grades) and the ford does very well up and down. No doubt the Cummins pulled like a dream, but towing a TT 5 times a year the Ford is about perfect for a gasser

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I'm not in the market but I checked several dealers around here for new 3/4 tons just to see what's in stock. With Ford and Dodge, I found a good number of diesels but gassers are very hard to come by. I found only a couple Ford 6.2's and 3 or 4 Dodge 6.4's, no 7.3's at all..


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Just for grins I got on ford's web site and did the build and price thing. When I was finished I did the search thing. Not a 7.3 anywhere.

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I was told that they are not making anymore this year to focus on other engines for most models and because of the chip shortage

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I've the 7.3 gas engine in an F250. I pull +/-8000 lb. of camper all over the country for the better part of the year, as do the contractors I work with. The 6.2s in their fleet are getting same or worse mileage than I am.

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Originally Posted by thumbcocker
Just for grins I got on ford's web site and did the build and price thing. When I was finished I did the search thing. Not a 7.3 anywhere.


How badly do you want one? I just put the new F250 with the 7.3 gasoline engine into the Autotrader.com website and came up with 680 of them for sale throughout the country.


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I was in the same boat. I went from a Tundra to a new F250 7.3 crew cab.
For me it was towing and snow plowing and the new Tundra fell way short in the plowing. I could not bring myself to pay the 10k for the diesel in the F250 since with the mileage I drive I would never come near seeing pay back for it. I tow from a12 open to a 24 ft enclosed car hauler without any issues.

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
I'm not in the market but I checked several dealers around here for new 3/4 tons just to see what's in stock. With Ford and Dodge, I found a good number of diesels but gassers are very hard to come by. I found only a couple Ford 6.2's and 3 or 4 Dodge 6.4's, no 7.3's at all..

I just bought a new f250 with the 7.3 in Nampa 2 weeks ago….. dealer says they have been getting a couple every week.

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i have a '15 250 with the 6.2. love the truck, hate the gas mileage. 10mpg here in the mountains of PA.


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I looked at dodge, chevy, and ford 250/350 equivalents when I bought mine last year. At first, I was deadest on getting an f250 diesel...but after driving and talking to people I got the 6.2/6 speed 3.73 4x4 with factory 18 inch 70 series tires and a toolbox 4 door. Right now it has a little over 10k miles on it.

After filling up at Buccees and driving home on back roads with a few stop signs at 65 mph (about a 40 mile drive) I get nearly 17 mpg (like 16.7). That's with me the Mrs and dogs. I am impressed with that. When driving back and forth to work I get a little over 14 mpg. If I put it in economy mode I get 15 mpg in work drives after the week is over. The economy mode doesn't really make a difference when driving back from Buccees.

I've towed an RV trailer on the interstate and my 10k flat trailer with light loads, but I forget the mpg for them...I'll right them down next too so you can get the real numbers. The gas will need high rpm's to get power but will give it to you when you mash the pedal.

The reason I got the 6.2 with six speed because the 10 speed options just seemed like they were hunting to shift all of the time...it may have been me, or they may need some time to learn your driving habits.

I hope this helps.

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How's the engine braking on the 6 spd vs 10 spd? In my very limited experience with these many geared transmissions, it looks like you need to use your brakes a LOT. With my 8 speed Toyota Highlander, you have to go clear down to 4th to get any braking at all and that isn't much.


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Ended up ordering the diesel. Looked at my mileage, trade values and what I tow and realized that makes the most sense.

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The 7.3 gas engine is really no different than most typical pushrod big blocks. And like most pushrod v8's the stroke is shorter than the bore size.

Toyota took a better stab at a true truck engine with the 5.7 as the stroke is longer than the bore diameter.

The other 7.3(powerstroke), same deal, the stroke is longer than the bore diameter.

It's very rare to find a V8 that is designed for low end torque right off idle.

It's why inline 6's are so dmn good in a truck, like the 6bt Cummins.

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From memory, it seems a 428 Ford is close to "square." I can't remember for sure but want to say 3.98" x 4.13' or something like that. My grandfather used them for irrigation engines. My father and his brothers put a couple into pickups over the years. With a few mods, they made great torque and horsepower for the time. We we're moving when I was young and my uncle got clocked at 128 mph pulling a gooseneck with my dad's 1973 3/4 ton that was so equipped. He was given a warning and told to go home. I think my uncle was 13 or 14 at the time.

I have two of the Toyotas, one of which will get traded. The 5.7 is a good engine. Pretty much trouble free vehicles.

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I would definitely go with the new 7.3 gas motor, know a rancher that just got one, dealer made him a deal on his one ton because he had a customer already waiting to buy it, he loves new motor and truck. I have a 6.2 and it doesn’t compare to a diesel power or fuel mileage .

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Ended up with a diesel. 500 miles on it and first tank was 20 mpg. Suspension and ride on rough roads is not nearly is good as the Tundra TRD Pro, but super comfortable, will pull my gooseneck and good mileage.

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Originally Posted by DesertMuleDeer
Ended up with a diesel. 500 miles on it and first tank was 20 mpg. Suspension and ride on rough roads is not nearly is good as the Tundra TRD Pro, but super comfortable, will pull my gooseneck and good mileage.


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