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Cartridges that are nearly 100 years old don't work anymore. All that history doesn't mean a thing. If it wasn't designed in the 21st century it doesn't count. I respectfully disagree. M. Quigley Cartridges that are nearly 100 years old don't work anymore. All that history doesn't mean a thing. If it wasn't designed in the 21st century it doesn't count. I'll stick with my 30/06. Tongue thoroughly in cheek. I commented on another thread that I don't have a single firearm that is chambered for a cartridge that is less than 50 years old and most are 100 years old. Bob, 270, 30-06, 30-30, 375H&H. You get the idea.
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You lucky readers! After years and years of infield research I now know the ultimate cartridge for deer/sheep/pronghorn size critters! Additionally I have carefully assembled from my field notes all the facts you need know about ballistic coefficients, bullet weight, velocity required at sensible hunting ranges (let’s put max at about 400 yds.). So here you have the ultimate numbers: B.C. .390-.453 Bullet weight 115-120 grain Velocity 3000 FPS What those numbers make you yawn? They don’t approach many of today’s modern cartridges. Well record book Pronghorn and Rocky Mountain Sheep and several Mule and Whitetail Deer, Javelina and a Black bear wish I had never discovered the 257 Roberts!
I would like to see some of those record book critters.
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Well, we’re in the same boat. Only new cartridge I have is a wildcat. Otherwise I’m old school and a 1/4 bore whore in a manner of speaking.
And my name isn’t really Quigley. Or Whitefeather.
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Awesome thread
As I was addressing my looneyism issue over a decade ago, I sold a Rem 700 Mountain rifle and a custom LVSF I had built in 257 Roberts.
I took one deer with it and it worked, Pretty sure I used factory Hornady ammunition? Had to be around 1998 or 99.
The LVSF was an absolute tack driver.
The cartridge just didn't grab a hold of me like some others. But I certainly appreciate it as a recovering looney..
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Hunting small animals at medium distances with a centerfire rifle is not a constrained problem. Lots of things work. The .257 Roberts doesn't seem like a particularly good option, but it does work and isn't horrible in a single shot. In a bolt action it requires a long action to achieve short action performance and is under-twisted and in a bad caliber. A great example of getting less for more.
For short actions, the 6mm and 6.5mm Creedmoor work better. So does the 7mm08 if sufficiently fast twisted.
For single shots, the 6mm Rem or 6mmAI has a lot to recommend it.
For a true long action, 26 Nosler is hard to beat.
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For a true long action, 26 Nosler is hard to beat. There's always something faster. Sometimes fast enough is fast enough.
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Hunting small animals at medium distances with a centerfire rifle is not a constrained problem. Lots of things work. The .257 Roberts doesn't seem like a particularly good option, but it does work and isn't horrible in a single shot. In a bolt action it requires a long action to achieve short action performance and is under-twisted and in a bad caliber. A great example of getting less for more.
For short actions, the 6mm and 6.5mm Creedmoor work better. So does the 7mm08 if sufficiently fast twisted.
For single shots, the 6mm Rem or 6mmAI has a lot to recommend it.
For a true long action, 26 Nosler is hard to beat. I bet you're fun at parties
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Dan I guess I'm just SOL...simply out of luck. lol I've never had the privilege of hunting the 257 Rob. It's plumb amazing I ever killed anything! Jerry I actually owned one for a short time. In the late 70s post 1976 I had a 200th year M 77 in 257 Rob. 1. I didn't know anything about the cartridge and let it get away. 2. YES, the 200 th year of American Liberty
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I'd jump into this conversation RE my old 6.5 swede but why bother
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I guess the "ultimate ctg." would have to be one loaded in the rifle you're holding when that big buck steps out.... Speaking of the Roberts, this combo works. LA 700, Brux barrel, so COAL is a bit much for a SA. Have posted this before and it's whacked hogs and WT's with authority. Velocity with H-100V is pushing 25-06 territory. Generally speaking, a big block will out run a small block... But, never say never and don't count out a high stepping small block... DF
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Dan I guess I'm just SOL...simply out of luck. lol I've never had the privilege of hunting the 257 Rob. It's plumb amazing I ever killed anything! Jerry I actually owned one for a short time. In the late 70s post 1976 I had a 200th year M 77 in 257 Rob. 1. I didn't know anything about the cartridge and let it get away. 2. YES, the 200 th year of American Liberty I’ve got one of those 1976 M77’s in 250 Savage. Sweet little rifle.
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I’m learning I don’t need a cannon to kill deer size game after watching grandkids kill deer and pigs dead with a 243. I’ve never owned a 257 Roberts, but I like a 25-06. Never have either, myself. But I I think i agree in that I’d buy or reach for a 25/06 first. Same way I’d take .308 over .300 sav. But my thinking could be flawed. Not a hand loader so that’s definitely part of the equation.
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[quote=jwall]Dan I guess I'm just SOL...simply out of luck. lol I've never had the privilege of hunting the 257 Rob. It's plumb amazing I ever killed anything! Jerry I actually owned one for a short time. In the late 70s post 1976 I had a 200th year M 77 in 257 Rob. 1. I didn't know anything about the cartridge and let it get away. 2. YES, the 200 th year of American Liberty I’ve got one of those 1976 M77’s in 250 Savage. Sweet little rifle. ————————- Yes they are. Congrats. I sure wish I’d known about the 257 R at the time. Oh Well !!! JRS would say, “A Little Miss I have known”. Jerry
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For a true long action, 26 Nosler is hard to beat. There's always something faster. Sometimes fast enough is fast enough. Sure - that's why the short action cartridges exist.
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Hunting small animals at medium distances with a centerfire rifle is not a constrained problem. Lots of things work. The .257 Roberts doesn't seem like a particularly good option, but it does work and isn't horrible in a single shot. In a bolt action it requires a long action to achieve short action performance and is under-twisted and in a bad caliber. A great example of getting less for more.
For short actions, the 6mm and 6.5mm Creedmoor work better. So does the 7mm08 if sufficiently fast twisted.
For single shots, the 6mm Rem or 6mmAI has a lot to recommend it.
For a true long action, 26 Nosler is hard to beat. I bet you're fun at parties Sorry I didn't join the circle jerk. Looks like y'all got it well in hand without me though.
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In a Kimber 257 Roberts is the action length the same as the .243?
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I specifically got rid of 243 and 257 caliber rifles I owned to aquire a 270win. Why?
First the little stuff is handled by 5.56 or 22-250. If I need 80gr or heavier the 270 can deliver. In pre covid times 270 ammo is cheap and everywhere. The only real competitor that is small in bore size and popular is the newer 6.5 creedmoore.
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I'd jump into this conversation RE my old 6.5 swede but why bother I am partial to my Swede also.
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I'll be using .257 110 grain Sierra TGKs at around 3100 fps in a short action, 23" barrel in a round that duplicates the Roberts. Can't think of anything that crosses small game up to deer size game better, that would be as pleasant to shoot, especially in a walk around rifle. You don't need a long action to get the best out of a Roberts...you need an intermediate length action e.g a Model 70 short action, Mauser 98 action or even a Remington short action with Wyatts magazine to get close to 3" length. If you want a high bc 110 grain bullet , that Badlands Bulldozer looks good in the pictures with a bc of .570 needing a 7 twist barrel.
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The Roberts is the only cartridge that I own multiple rifles for. I tend to have a rule of only one rifle in each cartridge, but I break it if another nice .257 Roberts pops up.
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