Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Good read on Wind/Solar power cost and backups

I have said for decades... if you factor in the REAL and FULLY ITEMIZED COSTS of growing, transporting, making and blending 10% ethanol with gasoline... straight gas would still be everywhere.

.GOV ALWAYS cooks the books for stuff they want to push.

Get back to us when that storage becomes a reality.

Until then, theoretical cost, either low or high, doesn't matter if you can't get the power when you need it.

MM

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It takes more energy to create the Solar than than it produces in its life span.
We pay other Country's to build the Panels and then ship them here. The shipping creates pollution as well.
The Greenies refuse to look at all of the facts when they are fed the BS.

I consider the system I built as prepaid power.
I am going to pay one way or another .

Large scale storage is a pay off scam to make certain people Rich and others Controlled.

When the ahole commies can't get their Popeye's chikkin sammich, Starbuck's of the day, or bean sprouts and tofu, they'll take notice.

Is the 3 c/KWH computed for only the time the solar is producing energy, or is it computed for a 24 hr period? Because after all, solar doesn't produce when the sun goes down.

Not sure what your question is. .3 c/KWH is the contract price paid to the supplier for electricity sent to the grid.




Yeah. We’re on hydro and coal, courtesy of Warren Buffet. Power goes down occasionally, last time because some dufus hit a power pole. What’s that got to do with the cost of solar?

I would like to know all these subsidies.

Missed previous post, see below.

I believe this winter the greenies will get a rude awakening throughout the world. The Brits built a huge wind turbine and found the wind doesn't always blow. They are now scrambling to buy all the coal they can find. The goofy Germans deconstructed their nuclear sites after [bleep] - not necassey as that was old technology and Germany isn't earthquake prone. The Germans are not getting all the natural gas they need from Russia and drum roll, they are buying all the coal they can find.
Chinese oligarchs have been instructed to buy all the coal they can find at any price form any country. Why? They are afraid of rolling blackouts this winter. They are building coal fired plants as fast as possible.The Chinese are exempt from any international carbon emissions because they are considered to the a "developing nation". IOndia is doing the same thing.
Solar and wind are not ready for prime time. The "reconciliation bill" pending mistake is calling for zero emissions for our energy grid by 2035! Absolutely not even close to happening. The "Squad" is not concerned with the climate. Rather, they are motivated to crush capitalism.
Wind and solar is mot scalable and cannot be considered suitable to be a base load.
I want to see green energy move thousands of cargo ships and move millions of containers to warehouses and stores. Let's go Brandon!

Cool. So obviously you went with the solar backup generator?

You understand perfectly what his question is. And the answer is it's only for the power delivered when the sun is shining, not for the 16 hours a day you have to get power somewhere else.

When we lived in Yuma, Arizona we looked into solar. There are very few places where solar would be better suited than Yuma. Over 100 degrees six months out of the year and less than 3 inches annual rainfall. The payout was equal to the expected life of the panels. About fifteen years. Don't know if that has changed. Wasn't cost effective then.

Wind, solar and backups.

I think every humanitarian and government from every functioning society has tried that in Haiti, numerous times.

Of course, like public education, racial equality and welfare, there hasn't been enough of someone else's money spent to make it successful......

And the problem of a willing buyer and a willing seller agreeing on a price is, what, exactly?

Solar make excellent sense in certain locations... I have a friend at altitude in NM that is slamming it with solar... My best recollection is that he made a $30k-$35k capital investment with a calculated payoff in 16 years. He thinks it will be paid off in 8 or 9 years instead... then free until the panels/storage units crap out in 25-35 years.

I was hopeful for my WV needs... but probably not going to work out after doing more math. My particulars are about 50% as efficient as his were.

Like buying Time Shares... there are lots of UNEDUCATED SUCKERS out there that refuse to do the hard study... the hard math.

Green Energy is not... NOR EVER BE a one size fits all...

Any .GOV that says it is... LIES.

Hey, you skipped over my question about your solar backup generator. How's that working out?

You keep throwing random statements in this thread like a drunk with Tourette syndrome, and expect everyone to chase your red herrings. Like all your other verbal vomits, there’s no relevance to the ongoing discussion.

But to answer your question: at our level of draw, it would take at least two Tesla power packs to have a full 24 hr back up, and you have to buy their expensive inverter (total cost over $150K), AND they are back ordered for over a year, depending who you ask. That’s five times the cost of a simple propane generator, so that’s what got installed. Besides, a backup battery and a backup generator have two different functions. The propane generator is an emergency backup system. The battery function is to store excess energy and move it in time to a time of deficit supply. All of which is utterly irrelevant to the discussion of utility scale cost of solar and storage, which you keep avoiding.

I have a quote for a full solar / backup package in my desk drawer somewhere, but the Trump administration Chinese import duties increased the price to where the payback was more than 6 years. I have several investments I can make on the farm that have payback periods less than half that, so it’ll stay in the drawer. Again, utterly irrelevant to the discussion the cost of utility scale solar and storage, which you keep avoiding.

So let's summarize:

In the real world, when it's YOUR electricity we're talking about:
1. Reliability is an actual thing, so much so that you'll fork out your own money to ensure it.
2. And solar isn't even close to being economical to provide that reliable power

In the theoretical, sci-fi, fantasy world you love to pontificate about, which basically involves everyone else's electricity:
1. Reliability is irrelevant, cost is the only factor, and
2. Solar is so cheap pretty soon they'll be paying us to take it.

One set of rules for you, and a whole 'nother set for everyone else.

When we looked seriously into solar power the life of the panels was about 15 years. If the panels will last 25 years it might be cost effective. We have two solar pumps in wells on the ranch. They work very well but we store the water not the electricity.

Wait a minit, wait just another minit if you dont mind.
Are you trying to say that Joe is just in this for whatever cash he might find laying around?
Anyway isnt he trying to fix all that crooked stuff with the new $600 bank deposit deal?
By the way, does that include offshore accounts also?