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Who’s sock puppet is LongSpurHunter ???
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Who’s sock puppet is LongSpurHunter ??? Some retard who thinks you make movies with gunfights by having the actors "check" the weapons????
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Why would anyone expect actors to know even basic gun safety? They're actors, and 99% probably aren't gun owners or have firearms experience. They are paid to pretend for a living...
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It's a movie set, play acting, there should be no live ammo on the set. do we know there was "live ammo" on the set, assuming you are not referring to blanks? If that info has been posted here, verifiable info, I must have missed it. Without live ammo on the set, the incident could not have happened. Brandon Lee was killed with a "blank." Plastic pieces entered his abdomen and he died as a result. The only sure thing that would have prevented this is basic firearm safety procedure. Brandon was shot with a normal projectile. At some point before the shooting, dummy rounds were used for video close-ups. The dummy rounds were normal rounds pulled to dump the powder then projectiles re-seated. At some stage the trigger was pulled on one and the squib load pushed the bullet into the barrel. The next shot was the blank that was aimed at Brandon and the stuck projectile exited the barrel.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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It's a movie set, play acting, there should be no live ammo on the set. do we know there was "live ammo" on the set, assuming you are not referring to blanks? If that info has been posted here, verifiable info, I must have missed it. Without live ammo on the set, the incident could not have happened. Brandon Lee was killed with a "blank." Plastic pieces entered his abdomen and he died as a result. The only sure thing that would have prevented this is basic firearm safety procedure. Brandon was shot with a normal projectile. At some point before the shooting, dummy rounds were used for video close-ups. The dummy rounds were normal rounds pulled to dump the powder then projectiles re-seated. At some stage the trigger was pulled on one and the squib load pushed the bullet into the barrel. The next shot was the blank that was aimed at Brandon and the stuck projectile exited the barrel. Yup, which is why checking the bore is part of the SOP now. Brandon Lee was a real freak accident that is used in the Swiss cheese model of system failure we use today to try and avoid "stacking" little bad things and ending with a really big bad thing. This was negligence and stupidity, with a dash of arrogance and a sprinkle of diversity hiring.
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Who’s sock puppet is LongSpurHunter ??? Some retard who thinks you make movies with gunfights by having the actors "check" the weapons???? LOL. Yep. I figured it was another BoobyBrown sock puppet, since he hadn’t posted for the last couple of days.
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Did the armorer point the gun? I'm sorry, but the one ultimately responsible is the one holding/shooting the firearm.
I'm sorry that Alec is a stupid SOB, but stupid should hurt. You are not familiar at all with how a movie set works, are you? If industry standards are followed, the actor isn't finger fuucking the gun to "check" it, and, even if it was a rare actor/actress with a clue, dummy ammo looks like live ammo, so often "checking" would just show you that SOMETHING is in the firearm. Baldwin had a single-action revolver. It wasn't his job to "check" it, there are multiple safety layers built into industry standard processes. The fact that these amateur hour idiots obviously were not following industry standards is gonna result in a person or persons being liable, but if Baldwin is on that list, it'll be as a producer who hired the idiots, not as the actor who pulled the trigger. I'll admit that I don't know first hand how a movie set works with firearms or anything else for that matter, but I cannot think of a single situation including a movie set that trumps basic firearm safety. If this situation doesn't reinforce that for you then I don't know what would. You say it wasn't his job to "check" it then why not? I know I would and I also know that after "checking" it to verify the condition I still would not point it at anything I didn't intend to shoot. That is the responsibility of EVERY person that has a firearm in his or her hand regardless of whether it is a movie set or not. Right? I must have missed the part about not being responsible if you are from Hollywood in the NRA's 10 Commandments of Gun Safety Maybe Goalie can point it out. Maybe ask why those long-used industry standards were not used on this set....... Gee? Really? (sarcasm font off) Seems like from some of the reports (if true), there were hands that left because those standards weren't being met.
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Why would anyone expect actors to know even basic gun safety? They're actors, and 99% probably aren't gun owners or have firearms experience. They are paid to pretend for a living... Yep. Especially asswipes like Baldwin. Someone on the other thread today posted that Baldwin’s old man was a former Marine and Coach of the HS Rifle Team where Baldwin grew up. Don’t know if that’s true or not, but If that’s the case, surely his old man would have taught him basic gun safety. Apparently it didn’t take. But in my way of thinking, 99 % of the liability’s in this case fall on the Set’s Armorer. Who’s main job is to keep everyone on the Set safe, and make sure there’s no live ammo ANYWHERE on the damned set. And that the guns are SAFE before the actors or anybody handles them. Like I mentioned before, sounds to me like she was neither experienced or confident. And the last person that should have been in charge of the Firearms, Real or Fake on that set.
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barnaby jones was never the same without grannie and jethro Truth...
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barnaby jones was never the same without grannie and jethro Truth... LOL. Yep. Maybe Barnaby Jones needed a hound dog like Ole Duke that Jed had for his Sidekick on the Beverly Hillbillies 😜
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Any one know how many gunshot deaths occurred on John Ford movie sets?
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Any one know how many gunshot deaths occurred on John Ford movie sets? I would bet ZERO.
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That the one with Fish? Abe Vigoda ??? He still alive, or singing in the Band with ole Roy and Jed ?
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That the one with Fish? Abe Vigoda ??? He still alive, or singing in the Band with ole Roy and Jed ? I had to look it up. He daid. Died in 2016 at 94.
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It's a movie set, play acting, there should be no live ammo on the set. do we know there was "live ammo" on the set, assuming you are not referring to blanks? If that info has been posted here, verifiable info, I must have missed it. Without live ammo on the set, the incident could not have happened. Are you considering blanks as "live ammo"? if so, how do you shoot a western movie without them? Now, if the inexperienced property person bought a box of rounds for the gun, thinking they were blanks and it turns out they weren't, then there's a problem. If a blank round (wooden plug?) was fired, hit the gal, penetrated then hit the director dude, were they using "live ammo"? If it's capable of passing through someone and injuring the person behind, it is a live round. It can kill.
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Alec is a POS. And an idiot.
He picked it up, pointed it at the woman, and pulled the trigger.
The crew set up a dangerous situation, but it takes an azhole to turn that into a dead body.
And I'm sorry but I would never take a firearm without checking if it was loaded (or loaded with dummies) on my own.
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It's a movie set, play acting, there should be no live ammo on the set. do we know there was "live ammo" on the set, assuming you are not referring to blanks? If that info has been posted here, verifiable info, I must have missed it. Without live ammo on the set, the incident could not have happened. Are you considering blanks as "live ammo"? if so, how do you shoot a western movie without them? Now, if the inexperienced property person bought a box of rounds for the gun, thinking they were blanks and it turns out they weren't, then there's a problem. If a blank round (wooden plug?) was fired, hit the gal, penetrated then hit the director dude, were they using "live ammo"? If it's capable of passing through someone and injuring the person behind, it is a live round. It can kill. Roger that, so they shouldn't have blanks on the set of a Western movie, right?
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It's a movie set, play acting, there should be no live ammo on the set. do we know there was "live ammo" on the set, assuming you are not referring to blanks? If that info has been posted here, verifiable info, I must have missed it. Without live ammo on the set, the incident could not have happened. Brandon Lee was killed with a "blank." Plastic pieces entered his abdomen and he died as a result. The only sure thing that would have prevented this is basic firearm safety procedure. Brandon was shot with a normal projectile. At some point before the shooting, dummy rounds were used for video close-ups. The dummy rounds were normal rounds pulled to dump the powder then projectiles re-seated. At some stage the trigger was pulled on one and the squib load pushed the bullet into the barrel. The next shot was the blank that was aimed at Brandon and the stuck projectile exited the barrel. I stand corrected as to what penetrated him. And it goes to show you why it is imperative to never point any gun directly at someone you don’t intend to shoot. Stupid stuff can happen no matter what is checked or not. An active armourer for these types of movies says the same. https://nypost.com/2021/10/23/baldwin-ignored-no-1-rule-of-gun-safety-hollywood-weapons-expert/
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