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Presently stoned means nothing. Are they under the influence and incapable of operating a motor vehicle? Yes you can determine that with sfst's. Standardized field sobriety tests test many things, including one's ability for divided attention tasks, IE requiring someone to do multiple tasks at once (walk and turn and one legged stand). HGN is easy with someone on weed as they will have all the physical cues of being high without hgn, and they will usually have lack of convergence. That's a clue......
dui's are a totality of the entire investigation. Why was the stop made? Moving violation? Crash? Equipment violation? What are the behavioral ques? What is observed inside the vehicle? Etc.
It depends on the state for the threshold for a Marijuana dui (usuallystates that have legalized weed). Some have a specific cannabinoid measurement that determines whether someone is dui. Other states simply go by the incapable of operating a motor vehicle wording.
NEVER do sfst's. EVER. NEVER talk to LE without an attorney. Sfst's are a joke administered by a clown who thinks there few weeks of "training" quality them as a medical DR. Any lawyer will tell you that. And NEVER help them to do a roadside inspection(turn signal, lights, ect.)
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The regulations and restrictions are worse for getting a CDL than a Private Pilots License.
The industry is doing what ever it can to make it harder and harder to get a CDL.
This. Think a basic CDL is hard, try a Hazmat. Every license renewal you have to go through the same procedure it takes to get the intial endorsement. Except, pay the $5 permit fee. Written test on a computer. 80% or above. (Some really struggle, the answers do not match what's in the book) Homeland security background check. Get fingerprinted. That adds up to over $100 for the one endorsement. Used to be many big carriers required the endorsement. They didn't pull much hazmat per driver, but...flexibility. Now most have dropped the requirement. It's just too much BS for a couple loads a year per driver. The oil company hasn't needed me to fill in for several years, so I let mine go. Getting a new one is only $5 more and some time. Ain't paying for a physical every year either, so my license is in an escrow type status. Other than the dropped hazmat, I have every truck endorsement, have pulled a number of trailer types, can drive most every transmission, (Except auto, never have) plus, log trucks, fuel trucks, and dumps(asphalt, milling, chipping experience) At this time, if I needed to drive, it would probably take a month or more to reactivate my license. After getting a physical. The hazmat test could be passed in a week if I could get in to test. The background check can take weeks to months.
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The regulations and restrictions are worse for getting a CDL than a Private Pilots License.
The industry is doing what ever it can to make it harder and harder to get a CDL.
This. Think a basic CDL is hard, try a Hazmat. Every license renewal you have to go through the same procedure it takes to get the intial endorsement. Except, pay the $5 permit fee. Written test on a computer. 80% or above. (Some really struggle, the answers do not match what's in the book) Homeland security background check. Get fingerprinted. That adds up to over $100 for the one endorsement. Used to be many big carriers required the endorsement. They didn't pull much hazmat per driver, but...flexibility. Now most have dropped the requirement. It's just too much BS for a couple loads a year per driver. The oil company hasn't needed me to fill in for several years, so I let mine go. Getting a new one is only $5 more and some time. Ain't paying for a physical every year either, so my license is in an escrow type status. Other than the dropped hazmat, I have every truck endorsement, have pulled a number of trailer types, can drive most every transmission, (Except auto, never have) plus, log trucks, fuel trucks, and dumps(asphalt, milling, chipping experience) At this time, if I needed to drive, it would probably take a month or more to reactivate my license. After getting a physical. The hazmat test could be passed in a week if I could get in to test. The background check can take weeks to months. Yup, there is a reason CDL make more money than LE on average as with most trades. Higher I.Q. is one reason.
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Yup, there is a reason CDL make more money than LE on average as with most trades. Higher I.Q. is one reason.[/quote]
Have spent too much time around truck drivers to agree with you here.😉
Will definitely say that anyone who want to become a LEO today,
already failed the mental competency test.
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Yup, there is a reason CDL make more money than LE on average as with most trades. Higher I.Q. is one reason.
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Have spent too much time around truck drivers to agree with you here.😉
Will definitely say that anyone who want to become a LEO today,
already failed the mental competency test.
I like hanging out with truck drivers, especially owner ops. Yes, a percentage are there, barely capable of the job, but you find the most interesting characters among drivers. Lots of second career type individuals, quite a few stepped out of rat-race middle and upper management careers. Choose to drive truck, make the same kind of money, don't have to deal with corporate BS. My relief driver is a contractor (remodels bathrooms) and a mobile mechanic for farm equipment -- he's a sharp guy, very competent, very knowledgeable, but doesn't want to get stuck doing one thing for the rest of his life. And he ain't cheap.. I suppose the same goes for LEO's, but the mouth breathers there are far more dangerous.
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Yeah Dutch, I agree. Met lots of sharp guys.
What came to my mind are the liars.
Started the job for real 4 months after turning 21.
Hillbilly kid, quiet Christian family, pretty sheltered.
Not worldly, but not stupid either.
Holly crap did I attract the scammer. Especially out west.
Looked really young(got carded into my 30's) and every SOB story
lying for a handout came to me.
Or, the guy.
You've met him.
He is telling such a whopper you are standing there thinking,
"This Bastard is pissing me off. Does he think I believe him?
Does he think I'm that stupid? Whgat should I do?
Nod? Like I believe him? Or just walk away? Or, call Bullschidt?"
Had forgot those idiots, untill I worked the dock at work one day.
Not that many are so bad. Just can't stand them.
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Why does anyone have to smoke weed? It's bizarre, not sure why people are so infatuated with that crap. Can't go through life sober? Everyone I know that is into weed thinks they are Socrates with their philosophy, like they are so much smarter than the average human. My ex is a pothead, every decision she makes is retarded and void of common sense.
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Anybody else think there is a strong correlation between the two?
I believe trucking companies require piss test....no?
Is that why Cali outlawed independent truckers? Because they legalized weed?
I don't know, just a thought I had and figured I'd share. With so many states legalizing weed, it has to be a factor.
I am almost certain that California outlawed independent operators in an effort to reap great tax gains from forcing all the Uber drivers employed in sucha manner that Gavin Newsome could stick his greedy hands in everyones pockets. He is too stupid to foresee what his greed resulted in.
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Anybody else think there is a strong correlation between the two?
I believe trucking companies require piss test....no?
Is that why Cali outlawed independent truckers? Because they legalized weed?
I don't know, just a thought I had and figured I'd share. With so many states legalizing weed, it has to be a factor.
I am almost certain that California outlawed independent operators in an effort to reap great tax gains from forcing all the Uber drivers employed in sucha manner that Gavin Newsome could stick his greedy hands in everyones pockets. He is too stupid to foresee what his greed resulted in. Asking because I don't know - gov see more tax revenue if I pay you 100k as an employee or 100k on a 1099?
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I'm on the board of a large local co-op and a major problem we have is employees that think that because marijuana is legal, that the laws and requirements about being drug free somehow don't apply anymore. Wrong. Could you explain this more? I have been curious how that works with legalized Mary Jane, especially when it is still illegal on the federal level. How about when crossing state borders to a state where it isn't legal, but it is still in your system? I'd imagine this is something lawyers and the courts will be hashing out for quite some time and OSHA regs may be revisited at some point.
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OSHA’s stance is, until there is a test that can measure levels, any positive will not end well for the employee. We just hashed this all out with NM OSHA.
I'd imagine this is something lawyers and the courts will be hashing out for quite some time and OSHA regs may be revisited at some point.
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Good god, if you dummy’s don’t think a trucker can beat a drug test, there’s no hope…
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Good god, if you dummy’s don’t think a trucker can beat a drug test, there’s no hope… That ain't no schitt. Pretty easy for a driver to pass a drug test these days. Especially if you have a few minutes heads up.
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No it's because the job sucks ass. That's why nothing but foreigners like eastern Europeans, sikh's, and Muslims are driving them.
It's also why they drive like dog schiett
There's a bit of truth to this. And some of those folks think highly of living in America and being able to work hard and get where they couldn't in their scheidthole countries. We have them in the transport industry here, and the majority are absolute incompetent filth. Wouldn't bother me in the least if every single one of them dropped dead tonight. Sorry to hear that. I've met a couple here, just a couple mind you, Eastern Europeans, that seemed quite pleased to be working here rather than living where they came from. What they're like at home I have no idea.
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In it is death and all you seek
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Good god, if you dummy’s don’t think a trucker can beat a drug test, there’s no hope… That ain't no schitt. Pretty easy for a driver to pass a drug test these days. Especially if you have a few minutes heads up. It’s easy but we have guys fail every month ! Owner operators who should know better. 50+ year olds getting popped for pot. The drug tests have gotten tighter and levels that used to pass don’t anymore. For as long as I’ve driven as an owner operator I’ve been given a heads up and told to not show up and take whatever time off I feel I need for personal reasons. Every driver is given that chance. Many still come in and get their official notifications and go fail the test. If they pop hot my broker calls them and tells them ahead of time and tells them to find another job today before they are fired and the test shows up on their record. Crazy !
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Well this thread only took 4 pages to turn into a pissing contest, and then just end up, being off the rails...
The campfire is getting better and more skilled at it.
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Good god, if you dummy’s don’t think a trucker can beat a drug test, there’s no hope… And yet over 60,000 of them couldn't so far in 2021
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