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I have had about every kind of knife steel. Mainly some kind of stainless.
But I’ve been wanting something different. How does Damascus stand up to some of these “super steels” for a hunting knife. I use my knives exclusively for field dressing and general use around camp. I have skinning knives.
Could anybody recommend a knife maker that makes high end performance Damascus knives?
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like anything else, it depends on what the steel is made from, and who did the work. I have seen some pattern welded steel that will compare well with the best of modern steels, and I have seen some that is not worth the money. I have gotten the best results from steel made by a good blacksmith. Some combinations that seem to work well are 1095, 1084, 52100, and 15N20. Not all steels blend well together though. Best advice would be to look at a blade smith that is well known for working with Damascus steel
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Mannlicher, do you have any recommendations for good blade smiths?
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Look at the member listings of the American Bladesmith Society. Offerings range from mild to wild as far as cost goes. https://www.americanbladesmith.org/Jerry Fisk is a well established master. Nordic Knives and Arizona Custom Knives usually have some inventory of quality damascus knives.
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Look at the member listings of the American Bladesmith Society. Offerings range from mild to wild as far as cost goes. https://www.americanbladesmith.org/Jerry Fisk is a well established master. Nordic Knives and Arizona Custom Knives usually have some inventory of quality damascus knives. Good advice! Blade Forums will have Pattern Welded Steel Knives (AKA Damascus) as well. IIRC the last time I spoke with Mr. Fisk his knives started about $3,400 and he had a 3 year wait. That was several years ago. I do not know if he is still taking commissions. I've not kept up. The Bridged Over Troubled Waters Bowie....... https://jerryfisk.com/knife_gallery/displayimage.php?album=4&pid=1078You mentioned high end knives, I do not know what your pain threshold is but $30K would probably not touch this. Anywho, Google is your friend! ya! GWB
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And then there is the cheap Pakistani damascus made from hammered out steel cable and heavily etch to bring out the pattern. They make nice letter openers.
If you're just field dressing then you really don't NEED a high quality steel. Heck my brother dressed a deer with a piece of glass when he forgot his knife. Damascus steel is no longer state of the art and any of the super steels will out perform it but then it is awfully pretty. With that said, I like a good looking knife.
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Mannlicher, do you have any recommendations for good blade smiths? Look at Rusty or Rick Menefee. I have a dandy Damascus skinner that Rusty made. If you can find and talk Kevin Colwell into making something, he is a master at forging and using traditional pattern welded steel. Several of the Mississippi knife mafia fellows work with that Alabama Damascus from time to time.
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Two thoughts. First, the photos are historical photobucket images, so pardon the large image size. Second, Hope you guys don't mind my trip down memory lane. It's a slow day and I was in the mood. Best, GWB The OP might contact VinceM @ VCM Custom Knives to see if he has any Damascus knives in inventory. I got this Damascus "Gaucho" pattern knife and the Ray Kirk copies from The KnifeFather (VinceM) https://www.vcmcustomknives.com/or direct for Ariel Salaverria. https://www.aescustomknives.com/These days, I do not keep up with Rick and Rusty's comings and goings to the degree I once did, so I'm out of the loop, but IIRC neither are what are referred to as "Heater & Beater's" I have a number of Rocky's knives, only one with a hamon, but no pattern welded or "damascus" blades. I have one by Ricky Bob. I call it my "Monkey Puzzle" Menefee. The first time I laid eyes on it, it seemed there was the body of a monkey dancing. It is my understanding that this was his first Damascus Knife. Whether or how many other Damascus knives he has made, I do not know. Mike Miller, who posts here fashioned this one for me during my "Nessmuk" period. Mike is also a stock removal guy and unless I'm mistaken this is Alabama Damascus Steel. Mike makes a good knife and is very reasonable on price. Here are a couple "Leaf Pattern Damascus" by Mike Williams, ABS Master Smith. At that time $1,500 would buy you a ticket for either of the two. The Capstone of my Williams Collection, A Quillon Dagger, Leaf Pattern Damascus. The handle is also forged pattern Damascus. At $2,500, this is the most I've paid for a blade. I made the sheath.
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My thoughts- I do use Alabama Damascus. When it was first available I did not like it because his blend did not have enough high carbon in it to make a good knife. In later years he has added 52100 and more 15n20 to bring the blend up higher in carbon which works. Outside of his I look for 1084 and 15n20 for good Damascus. They both have the same carbon content which during heat treat causes less stress in the billet. I liked Devin Thomas and Chad Nicholls blends when I can get them. Chad makes some Stainless Damascus which heat treats like 440C blade material. There are many now who make good Damascus. You just have to find them . Poor brothers in Texas do nice work. Randy Haas son makes exceptional patterned product.
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I’ve got some Damascus blades in the works at the present. 1084/15N20
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I’ve got some Damascus blades in the works at the present. 1084/15N20 +1 ya! GWB
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Check out some of the knives by Bill Akers at Backwoods Custom Knives, he does some great work.
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Check out some of the knives by Bill Akers at Backwoods Custom Knives, he does some great work. He used to post on here didnt he?
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I know he used to sell a few here. Always had very good looking knives.
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I have had about every kind of knife steel. Mainly some kind of stainless.
But I’ve been wanting something different. How does Damascus stand up to some of these “super steels” for a hunting knife. I use my knives exclusively for field dressing and general use around camp. I have skinning knives.
Could anybody recommend a knife maker that makes high end performance Damascus knives? Burt Foster or Kevin Cashen in 15N20 / 80CRV2
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