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“may have been loaded when examined”, gonna retract that last statement.
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I heard the live 911 call from a crew member, she said it was the assistant director that fugged up. They took a lunch break, and nobody re-checked the gun before handing it to Baldwin then yelling "cold gun"...the AD handed him the gun, not sure what the armorer was doing other than still stuffing a taco down her throat.
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Regardless, according to actor John Schnieder any time an actor is going to use a real gun he is supposed to dry fire every chamber into the ground after being handed the gun to show everyone it is safe before using it.
Alec didnt do that.
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Regardless, according to actor John Schnieder any time an actor is going to use a real gun he is supposed to dry fire every chamber into the ground after being handed the gun to show everyone it is safe before using it.
Alec didnt do that. I wasn't defending Baldwin, just stating what has been publicized.
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Regardless, according to actor John Schnieder any time an actor is going to use a real gun he is supposed to dry fire every chamber into the ground after being handed the gun to show everyone it is safe before using it.
Alec didnt do that. Sure seems like a sound policy. Regardless of what the armourer or assistant producer did, the fact is Baldwin was the one who skipped examining or dry firing in a safe direction the firearm that was handed to him. It would have taken very little effort to do so.
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Regardless, according to actor John Schnieder any time an actor is going to use a real gun he is supposed to dry fire every chamber into the ground after being handed the gun to show everyone it is safe before using it.
Alec didnt do that. If I were going to have a gun pointed at me, I would want that done as well as check it myself before they yelled "ACTION"
I may not be smart but I can lift heavy objects
I have a shotgun so I have no need for a 30-06.....
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Regardless, according to actor John Schnieder any time an actor is going to use a real gun he is supposed to dry fire every chamber into the ground after being handed the gun to show everyone it is safe before using it.
Alec didnt do that. Why didn't they get a real actor's opinion?
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Who squeezed the trigger?
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Who squeezed the trigger? Trump.
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Who squeezed the trigger? Trump. Of course
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As has been pointed out hundreds of films involving gunplay have been produced w/ out anyone being shot. That this incident occurred is proof that established safety norms were not in place or were not enforced. If best practices are not enforced or are over ruled by management it is willful negligence. Big egos often dominate workplaces and undercut those tasked w/ safety.
Force on force training takes place regularly using real guns and simunitions type of projectiles w/ out injury because of rigorous protocols and enforcement. Once clear precedents are established incidents like this are the result of negligence and the liabilities start at the upper management/principles level. An actor is hired to act, not because he has the skills of the character he is portraying. Baldwin's failure and liability lie in his failure to run a safe set as the producer not in lack of gun knowledge. When you think you are the smartest guy in the room you discard the guidance of lesser beings. Behavior common to narcissists.
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Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that.
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As has been pointed out hundreds of films involving gunplay have been produced w/ out anyone being shot. That this incident occurred is proof that established safety norms were not in place or were not enforced. If best practices are not enforced or are over ruled by management it is willful negligence. Big egos often dominate workplaces and undercut those tasked w/ safety.
Force on force training takes place regularly using real guns and simunitions type of projectiles w/ out injury because of rigorous protocols and enforcement. Once clear precedents are established incidents like this are the result of negligence and the liabilities start at the upper management/principles level. An actor is hired to act, not because he has the skills of the character he is portraying. Baldwin's failure and liability lie in his failure to run a safe set as the producer not in lack of gun knowledge. When you think you are the smartest guy in the room you discard the guidance of lesser beings. Behavior common to narcissists.
mike r Or the armorer was snorting coke in trailer still, because she was definitely unqualified for the job.
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As has been pointed out hundreds of films involving gunplay have been produced w/ out anyone being shot. That this incident occurred is proof that established safety norms were not in place or were not enforced. If best practices are not enforced or are over ruled by management it is willful negligence. Big egos often dominate workplaces and undercut those tasked w/ safety.
Force on force training takes place regularly using real guns and simunitions type of projectiles w/ out injury because of rigorous protocols and enforcement. Once clear precedents are established incidents like this are the result of negligence and the liabilities start at the upper management/principles level. An actor is hired to act, not because he has the skills of the character he is portraying. Baldwin's failure and liability lie in his failure to run a safe set as the producer not in lack of gun knowledge. When you think you are the smartest guy in the room you discard the guidance of lesser beings. Behavior common to narcissists.
mike r Or the armorer was snorting coke in trailer still, because she was definitely unqualified for the job. Even if that were the case the person in charge should not have proceeded and all weapons should have been secured until safety protocols could be enforced. If the armorer was unqualified the organization that hired her is responsible for harm resulting from that decision. The death and injury were a result of negligent management. mike r
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Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that.
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As has been pointed out hundreds of films involving gunplay have been produced w/ out anyone being shot. That this incident occurred is proof that established safety norms were not in place or were not enforced. If best practices are not enforced or are over ruled by management it is willful negligence. Big egos often dominate workplaces and undercut those tasked w/ safety.
Force on force training takes place regularly using real guns and simunitions type of projectiles w/ out injury because of rigorous protocols and enforcement. Once clear precedents are established incidents like this are the result of negligence and the liabilities start at the upper management/principles level. An actor is hired to act, not because he has the skills of the character he is portraying. Baldwin's failure and liability lie in his failure to run a safe set as the producer not in lack of gun knowledge. When you think you are the smartest guy in the room you discard the guidance of lesser beings. Behavior common to narcissists.
mike r Or the armorer was snorting coke in trailer still, because she was definitely unqualified for the job. Even if that were the case the person in charge should not have proceeded and all weapons should have been secured until safety protocols could be enforced. If the armorer was unqualified the organization that hired her is responsible for harm resulting from that decision. The death and injury were a result of negligent management. mike r True, but she'll be the first one on the list to go down...it was her job to secure all weapons, her only job.
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It's New Mexi-tucky. Someone's going to get a large settlement.
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Here is a link from Legal Insurrection with a good analysis of possible civil and perhaps criminal charges against Baldwin. There are a number of interesting comments, also. https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/...shooting-woman-dead-in-apparent-mistake/It will be interesting to know what the Sheriff's homicide detectives determine happened. L.W.
Last edited by Leanwolf; 10/25/21. Reason: Correct typo.
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As has been pointed out hundreds of films involving gunplay have been produced w/ out anyone being shot. That this incident occurred is proof that established safety norms were not in place or were not enforced. If best practices are not enforced or are over ruled by management it is willful negligence. Big egos often dominate workplaces and undercut those tasked w/ safety.
Force on force training takes place regularly using real guns and simunitions type of projectiles w/ out injury because of rigorous protocols and enforcement. Once clear precedents are established incidents like this are the result of negligence and the liabilities start at the upper management/principles level. An actor is hired to act, not because he has the skills of the character he is portraying. Baldwin's failure and liability lie in his failure to run a safe set as the producer not in lack of gun knowledge. When you think you are the smartest guy in the room you discard the guidance of lesser beings. Behavior common to narcissists.
mike r Moreover, the reaction to someone's failure to follow established procedure/rules does NOT necessitate the passage of more rules. It just means those who broke the rules need to be punished. That is one of the biggest problems with our psyche today, everyone thinks we need more and more rules. We don't. As you stated, the fact that many hundreds of films have been created without accident shows the current rules work. Now, just punish those who transgressed and everyone move on.
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It's New Mexi-tucky. Someone's going to get a large settlement.
Baldwin will just file for Bankruptcy and probably skate on Criminal Charges too. Santa Fe is a Libertard Haven.
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As has been pointed out hundreds of films involving gunplay have been produced w/ out anyone being shot. That this incident occurred is proof that established safety norms were not in place or were not enforced. If best practices are not enforced or are over ruled by management it is willful negligence. Big egos often dominate workplaces and undercut those tasked w/ safety.
Force on force training takes place regularly using real guns and simunitions type of projectiles w/ out injury because of rigorous protocols and enforcement. Once clear precedents are established incidents like this are the result of negligence and the liabilities start at the upper management/principles level. An actor is hired to act, not because he has the skills of the character he is portraying. Baldwin's failure and liability lie in his failure to run a safe set as the producer not in lack of gun knowledge. When you think you are the smartest guy in the room you discard the guidance of lesser beings. Behavior common to narcissists.
mike r Moreover, the reaction to someone's failure to follow established procedure/rules does NOT necessitate the passage of more rules. It just means those who broke the rules need to be punished. That is one of the biggest problems with our psyche today, everyone thinks we need more and more rules. We don't. As you stated, the fact that many hundreds of films have been created without accident shows the current rules work. Now, just punish those who transgressed and everyone move on. ^^^This^^^
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Live Ammo on the Set. Apparently some of the crew were “target shooting” with the gun before the incident “Now, according to a report from TheWrap, unnamed crew members have stated that the firearm handled by Gutierrez Reed, Halls and Baldwin was used earlier that same day to go "plinking," a hobby in which people shoot at beer cans with live ammunition for fun. “ Gun that killed Halyna Hutchins used for leisure shooting by crew the morning of the accident: report https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/gun-killed-halyna-hutchins-leisure-shooting-morning-accidentExplore the Fox News apps that are right for you at http://www.foxnews.com/apps-products/index.html.
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