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Re: Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? [Re: OldHat] #16567317 10/27/21
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Originally Posted by OldHat
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Originally Posted by krp

Jesus' church is lead through the Holy Spirit, not a pulpit, not some man's words, not a confined in a book.

God uses Spirit filled people to shepherd His flock. It has been that way since the beginning. Many of those people are in the pulpit.


Can I assume you’re saying “you are spirit filled, and thusly a shepherd of men” ?

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I wrote what I meant. The two sentences could not be more clear.

I simply stated what is clear in the Bible.

Nothing is clear in the Bible.That is why no two denominations can agree on anything written in the Bible.Then there are those few chosen that know exactly what is in the Bible.There is a name for them." Delusional"


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Re: Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? [Re: Happy_Camper] #16567338 10/27/21
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I certainly don’t think there’s been a surge of atheism in this country, but there certainly has been a migration away from Christianity over the last 20 years or so. These folks are simply unaffiliated; they’ve simply disconnected from any religious affiliation, Christianity in particular. They don’t embrace any beliefs in particular, they’re not atheists or agnostics, and they don’t identify as Christian’s. They can’t really describe what they are, they just know what they’re not. And I don’t blame em’.

Maybe close to 25% of the total population, 35% of millennials, mostly males and mostly well educated, theologically apathetic…don’t know and don’t care, and don’t feel like they even need to know. They’re not hostile toward religion, they’re just not affiliated with it. And again, I don’t blame em’.

To me, the migration away from Christianity in this country is the church’s fault. The responsibility lies at the feet of the church. To me, the reason that so many people have disengaged from Christianity is not because of the message; it’s mostly because of the messengers. It’s not the fault of the unaffiliated that they've found Christianity so unappealing and unengaging and so irrational and so unscientific, and so ungracious; it’s the fault of the church.

When you open the Gospels, when you look at the way that Jesus interacted with people…and He’s the person whose at the very epicenter of everything Christians claim to believe and everything they do…you’ll see that people who were nothing like Jesus, liked Jesus. And you’ll see that He liked them back.

So maybe, if the version of Christianity that we’re seeing today isn’t attractive or compelling, maybe the church has the wrong version. There sure are a lotta deconversion stories out there. And I’ve never heard a deconversion story that had anything to do with who Jesus is. Many people have walked away from Christianity. And I think “why” is an important question that the church should be asking itself. It’s not appealing to so many people. And to me, in many cases, it’s not even accurate.


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Re: Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? [Re: antlers] #16567472 10/27/21
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Antlers, are you a Christian?

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Re: Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? [Re: Valsdad] #16567499 10/27/21
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Originally Posted by Valsdad
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I'm a Druid so I plan on celebrating while dancing around a raging fire and burning animal flesh. Might have a wee bit of Scotch too - my interpretation of a nice mug of Chouchen. Singing and chanting comes later...

Please,

pics will not be necessary if it happens, especially if you're dancing around that fire nekkid.


Not to worry. I learned long ago that raging fires and dancing nekkid should not be attempted simultaneously. Best to do the nekkid dancing after the chanting and singing... and a few more Scotches.

Re: Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? [Re: Happy_Camper] #16567518 10/27/21
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Re: Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? [Re: STRSWilson] #16567522 10/27/21
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Originally Posted by STRSWilson
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I'm a Druid so I plan on celebrating while dancing around a raging fire and burning animal flesh. Might have a wee bit of Scotch too - my interpretation of a nice mug of Chouchen. Singing and chanting comes later...

Please,

pics will not be necessary if it happens, especially if you're dancing around that fire nekkid.


Not to worry. I learned long ago that raging fires and dancing nekkid should not be attempted simultaneously. Best to do the nekkid dancing after the chanting and singing... and a few more Scotches.


I origanally read that ...and a few more scorches...

Kent

Re: Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? [Re: krp] #16567524 10/27/21
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Originally Posted by krp
Originally Posted by OldHat
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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by krp
The failing of the church is selling conversions as a shield of God against worldly suffering, earthly rewards for faith.

Man had it wrong so Jesus came to set the correct example, he didn't come cause man was doing it right... and then man almost immediately started down the path of doing it wrong again.

Jesus came to show how unimportant worldly suffering, hardship, persecution, torture, physical death are, compared to faith and spiritual resurrection. What God can give us here is the will to endure and the strength of fearlessness, spiritual peace/relief regardless of pain/suffering/persecution.

Jesus' church is lead through the Holy Spirit, not a pulpit, not some man's words, not confined in a book.

God left man here on earth with free will, individual man and man as a whole, the chit that happens to us here isn't on God nor will he save you, it's on man and self inflicted.



I’m always glad when you participate in these discussions. Your insight and knowledge and contributions are refreshing.



+1, to both of you.

+2, antlers and krp are both solid guys who can share their faith reasonably without the accusatory hate filled rhetoric HC and his ilk resort to.

Faith? Faith in what?

Gal 1:8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed."


Who authored galatians? Paul or a third party? and who gave them authority over gospel?... themselves?

Obviously they feel they speak for Christ and as Christ... yet don't sound a bit like Christ.

I would never assume such authority, though there are many who assume they can.

Kent


There have always been dissenters who try to diminish and dismiss biblical authority and the Word of God.

Jesus called, appointed, equipped, and commissioned his apostles to teach, speak, and write in His name.

“Very truly I tell you, whoever accepts anyone I send accepts me; and whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me.” John 13:20

“Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects Him who sent me.” Luke 10:16

Those who reject the apostles reject Jesus.

“Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name for the Gentiles, and Kings, and the children of Israel.” Acts 9:15

Jesus sent his Holy Spirit to the apostles to tell us through his Word of all Jesus said and taught. God’s Word is not just “a book”. Reading the gospels and the epistles of Jesus is hearing Jesus.

Accepting this is accepting Jesus. Denying this is denying Jesus and the Holy Spirit who inspired the apostles to preach, teach, and write in Jesus’ name, the same Holy Spirit who leads Jesus’ church. Jesus authorized his apostles to speak and write in HIs name with the assistance of the Holy Spirit.

“Therefore, anyone who rejects the instruction of ours does not reject a human being but God, the very God who gives us his Holy Spirit.” 1 Thess 4:8

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word is God.” John 1:1

Every written word in the Bible is from God, and the entire Bible is Jesus.

It doesn’t matter if some scripture doesn’t fit our preconceived theology. We don’t have the luxury of picking and choosing what we want to believe in God’s Holy Word.

Re: Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? [Re: OldHat] #16567533 10/27/21
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Originally Posted by OldHat
Faith? Faith in what?
Gal 1:8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed."
Doesn't Paul sound like a nut case in your quote? He's saying no matter who contradicts him, "let him be accursed". No wonder Jesus in Revelation 2:2 praised the Ephesians for getting rid of Paul. Read Paul thoroughly and compare his doctrine to Jesus. You will see.


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Re: Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? [Re: STRSWilson] #16567568 10/27/21
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Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by Valsdad
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I'm a Druid so I plan on celebrating while dancing around a raging fire and burning animal flesh. Might have a wee bit of Scotch too - my interpretation of a nice mug of Chouchen. Singing and chanting comes later...

Please,

pics will not be necessary if it happens, especially if you're dancing around that fire nekkid.


Not to worry. I learned long ago that raging fires and dancing nekkid should not be attempted simultaneously. Best to do the nekkid dancing after the chanting and singing... and a few more Scotches.


The Horizontal Bop with a sweetie is always my preferred nekkid dance step.

Around the fire, in the bushes, on the couch, wherever we ended up.


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In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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Re: Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? [Re: krp] #16567579 10/27/21
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Originally Posted by krp
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
I'm a Druid so I plan on celebrating while dancing around a raging fire and burning animal flesh. Might have a wee bit of Scotch too - my interpretation of a nice mug of Chouchen. Singing and chanting comes later...

Please,

pics will not be necessary if it happens, especially if you're dancing around that fire nekkid.


Not to worry. I learned long ago that raging fires and dancing nekkid should not be attempted simultaneously. Best to do the nekkid dancing after the chanting and singing... and a few more Scotches.


I origanally read that ...and a few more scorches...

Kent



OK, that one had me laughing !


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Re: Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? [Re: antlers] #16567587 10/27/21
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To me, the reason that so many people have disengaged from Christianity is not because of the message; it’s mostly because of the messengers. It’s not the fault of the unaffiliated that they've found Christianity so unappealing and unengaging and so irrational and so unscientific, and so ungracious; it’s the fault of the church.


You seem to have hit a home run here Antlers.

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Re: Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? [Re: JGRaider] #16567591 10/27/21
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Originally Posted by JGRaider
Matthew 7:2
New International Version
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.



I prefer the single word................Karma

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Is that word in the Bible?


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Re: Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? [Re: STRSWilson] #16567595 10/27/21
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Originally Posted by STRSWilson
I'm a Druid so I plan on celebrating while dancing around a raging fire and burning animal flesh. Might have a wee bit of Scotch too - my interpretation of a nice mug of Chouchen. Singing and chanting comes later...



I love this idea!!!

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Originally Posted by Valsdad
Is that word in the Bible?



If not it should be. grin

Matt. 7:2 is just a wordy version of that word. wink

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Every written word in the Bible is from God, and the entire Bible is Jesus.


Now we know who made the Sun stand still.... whistle

Since John1:1 used the Greek word theh'-os, was he talking about a Goddess or maybe a representative?

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Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
I'm a Druid so I plan on celebrating while dancing around a raging fire and burning animal flesh. Might have a wee bit of Scotch too - my interpretation of a nice mug of Chouchen. Singing and chanting comes later...

Please,

pics will not be necessary if it happens, especially if you're dancing around that fire nekkid.


Not to worry. I learned long ago that raging fires and dancing nekkid should not be attempted simultaneously. Best to do the nekkid dancing after the chanting and singing... and a few more Scotches.



STRSWilson's last fire circle dance............... whistle

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Originally Posted by JGRaider
Matthew 7:2
New International Version
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
A couple of members here have consigned me to hell for my beliefs or lack thereof. They are pretty shrill about it. Does this mean I will have them for company?


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Originally Posted by K22



STRSWilson's last fire circle dance............... whistle

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Soo.....

What the fire decide?

Is the trunk or treating at the church house ok or not?


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