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You old hens still beating this dead horse? Post a pic bitch. They only hens you're worried about are the ones you play dress up with in Missoula trolling for college homos. Another old hen. LOL No surprises. TFF Nope. You are as predictable as the moon. Lying bitch that you are. Hope you enjoy your new goat flavored cocks.
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You old hens still beating this dead horse? Post a pic bitch. They only hens you're worried about are the ones you play dress up with in Missoula trolling for college homos. Another old hen. LOL No surprises. TFF Nope. You are as predictable as the moon. Lying bitch that you are. Hope you enjoy your new goat flavored cocks. Now a triggered old hen! LOL
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alec baldwin is the ONLY person responsible for the death and injury.
HE violated the rules HE killed them
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It's a movie set, play acting, there should be no live ammo on the set. do we know there was "live ammo" on the set, assuming you are not referring to blanks? If that info has been posted here, verifiable info, I must have missed it. Without live ammo on the set, the incident could not have happened. Are you considering blanks as "live ammo"? if so, how do you shoot a western movie without them? Now, if the inexperienced property person bought a box of rounds for the gun, thinking they were blanks and it turns out they weren't, then there's a problem. If a blank round (wooden plug?) was fired, hit the gal, penetrated then hit the director dude, were they using "live ammo"? If it's capable of passing through someone and injuring the person behind, it is a live round. It can kill. Roger that, so they shouldn't have blanks on the set of a Western movie, right? A blank that can shoot through one person and injure the person behind, two with one shot, is just as deadly as a live round. Are all blanks capable of that? I have no clue as I've never messed with blanks. I'm with the rules of gun safety folks on this one. Balwin should have practiced muzzle control, whatever the fuggin thing was supposedly loaded with.
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It's a movie set, play acting, there should be no live ammo on the set. do we know there was "live ammo" on the set, assuming you are not referring to blanks? If that info has been posted here, verifiable info, I must have missed it. Without live ammo on the set, the incident could not have happened. Are you considering blanks as "live ammo"? if so, how do you shoot a western movie without them? Now, if the inexperienced property person bought a box of rounds for the gun, thinking they were blanks and it turns out they weren't, then there's a problem. If a blank round (wooden plug?) was fired, hit the gal, penetrated then hit the director dude, were they using "live ammo"? If it's capable of passing through someone and injuring the person behind, it is a live round. It can kill. Roger that, so they shouldn't have blanks on the set of a Western movie, right? A blank that can shoot through one person and injure the person behind, two with one shot, is just as deadly as a live round. Are all blanks capable of that? I have no clue as I've never messed with blanks. I'm with the rules of gun safety folks on this one. Balwin should have practiced muzzle control, whatever the fuggin thing was supposedly loaded with. Blanks can't do that. It was sarcasm.
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And, sometimes, bad things happen. Those are accidents. This was negligence. And incompetence. And perhaps sabotage as well. If you have a grudge, union or personal, and see an opportunity.....
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Did the armorer point the gun? I'm sorry, but the one ultimately responsible is the one holding/shooting the firearm.
I'm sorry that Alec is a stupid SOB, but stupid should hurt. You are not familiar at all with how a movie set works, are you? If industry standards are followed, the actor isn't finger fuucking the gun to "check" it, and, even if it was a rare actor/actress with a clue, dummy ammo looks like live ammo, so often "checking" would just show you that SOMETHING is in the firearm. Baldwin had a single-action revolver. It wasn't his job to "check" it, there are multiple safety layers built into industry standard processes. The fact that these amateur hour idiots obviously were not following industry standards is gonna result in a person or persons being liable, but if Baldwin is on that list, it'll be as a producer who hired the idiots, not as the actor who pulled the trigger. No I am not, but I am familiar with how life works and how to deal with firearms. I guess you believe that people should not be responsible for their own actions I'd likely think that way if I was from Minnesota too. People should be responsible for their own actions. But I'd not want 20=30 people loading their own weapons on set. 1 person has to be responsible to eliminate confusion.
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The Armorer is responsible for firearm safety.
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Kinda difficult for the armorer to keep someone from cocking, pointing and squeezing the trigger when the gun isn't in his hand. Loaded, prop or whatever.
Let's face it, the guy is a careless, thoughtless smartass that is as loose with his actions as he is with his mouth and one person is dead because of it.
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SO, from the latest report
They were setting up a scene, practicing the angles and: "...Baldwin was explaining how he was going to draw his revolver from its holster and where his arm should be for the shot, the firearm went off...."
No, it didn't just go off. Baldwin pulled the trigger. And, since it was just a set-up and not during actual filming, Baldwin should not have pulled the trigger.
"...Souza said three people were handling the gun for the scene."
Chain of custody violation. Only the armorer and the actor should have touched the weapon. We already know they were target shooting (jerking around) with the gun in the preceding days.
"Souza....was not sure if the gun was checked again when everyone returned from lunch."
Again, incompetence and neglect.
Baldwin pulled the trigger when he should not have. His liability. Baldwin was the producer who had control over crew, and they hired incompetent crew. Baldwin's liability. Baldwin was aware of the previous negligent discharges and failed to control the crew HE hired. Baldwins liability.
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SO, from the latest report
They were setting up a scene, practicing the angles and: "...Baldwin was explaining how he was going to draw his revolver from its holster and where his arm should be for the shot, the firearm went off...."
No, it didn't just go off. Baldwin pulled the trigger. And, since it was just a set-up and not during actual filming, Baldwin should not have pulled the trigger.
"...Souza said three people were handling the gun for the scene."
Chain of custody violation. Only the armorer and the actor should have touched the weapon. We already know they were target shooting (jerking around) with the gun in the preceding days.
"Souza....was not sure if the gun was checked again when everyone returned from lunch."
Again, incompetence and neglect.
Baldwin pulled the trigger when he should not have. His liability. Baldwin was the producer who had control over crew, and they hired incompetent crew. Baldwin's liability. Baldwin was aware of the previous negligent discharges and failed to control the crew HE hired. Baldwins liability.
Yep. Just read that Bullschitt on FOX News. Firearms, especially Single Action Revolvers, don’t JUST GO OFF. You have to cock the hammer and pull the trigger. Only other way for a Single Action Revolver To “go off”, Is if you drop it, and there’s a round under the hammer, that is, if it has no safety transfer bar like a Ruger. Most Colt clones don’t have that feature, though. And then they’re blaming a shadow on the camera angle that caused the two victims to be in the line of Fire. And obviously there was a live round in the gun to shoot through one person and strike another. And it sounds like three other people handled the gun before it was handed to Baldwin. What a cluster Fuqk. From the article: “Baldwin was working with the director and the cinematographer demonstrating how he was going to draw his revolver from its holster and where his arm would be for the new shot. While demonstrating, the firearm went off.”Alec Baldwin accidental shooting details emerge offering look at Halyna Hutchins' final moments https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-accidental-shooting-details-halyna-hutchins-deathExplore the Fox News apps that are right for you at http://www.foxnews.com/apps-products/index.html.
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Kinda difficult for the armorer to keep someone from cocking, pointing and squeezing the trigger when the gun isn't in his hand. Loaded, prop or whatever.
Let's face it, the guy is a careless, thoughtless smartass that is as loose with his actions as he is with his mouth and one person is dead because of it. Armorer's job is to verify the condition of the firearm (loaded with blanks/unloaded) before it's handed to the actor.
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And then it is the actor's job to confirm same. To believe otherwise is akin to your friend handing you a gun saying it's unloaded and you then shoot another friend in your home standing nearby with it. In other words, the current possessor of the weapon is responsible for ensuring it is safe. FUGG Baldwin to hell.
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Kinda difficult for the armorer to keep someone from cocking, pointing and squeezing the trigger when the gun isn't in his hand. Loaded, prop or whatever.
Let's face it, the guy is a careless, thoughtless smartass that is as loose with his actions as he is with his mouth and one person is dead because of it. Armorer's job is to verify the condition of the firearm (loaded with blanks/unloaded) before it's handed to the actor. Did the armorer cock the hammer, point it at other people, then pull the trigger? The condition of the firearm is moot everywhere on the planet except in the presence of an armorer. Um okay. Betcha ole Alec dont jump unless he SEES a net.....
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So, That's Why Alec Baldwin Thought He Could Point a Prop Gun at People and Pull the Trigger https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...t-a-prop-gun-at-people-and-pull-n2598004
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California Democrat Calls For Gun Ban On Hollywood Sets https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/...lls-for-gun-ban-on-hollywood-sets-n51374See, it was the Guns fault.
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For the guns on the set of the movie where the girl was killed SadI know its not right to judge a book by its cover, but I think I'll do it this one time....
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The movie company violated numerous policies and rules on the set of Rust. What makes anyone think that another law would be followed? You can’t legislate common sense. Being California they should also pass a law that requires an armourer... or firearm safety, or prohibit anyone who votes D to possess, or be associated with firearms?
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The movie company violated numerous policies and rules on the set of Rust. What makes anyone think that another law would be followed? You can’t legislate common sense. Being California they should also pass a law that requires an armourer... or firearm safety, or prohibit anyone who votes D to possess, or be associated with firearms? You realize this was New Mexico, not California, right?
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