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I am getting a Dan Wesson Bruin next week and want to get a good 220 grain hard cast flat nose load for what ever Alaska has in store for me. Will also load up some 180 grain Hornady XTP bullets. I am new to the 10mm, but not to loading ammo.


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Congratulations, that's a fine pistol. There are many book loads available online. If you search you can also find some teardowns of DoubleTap rounds, maybe Underwoods. I would suggest perhaps just ordering some Underwoods to carry for starters, maybe some plinking rounds to get used to the gun.

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In my 10mm’s, AA#9 and longshot are the powders to beat, I mostly load 180 gr, both cast and XTP, with some side trips to 155 (not impressed) and 200 gr. (OK). Would like to try some heavy cast.

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My Delta Elite has an insane love affair with Blue Dot in 180 and 200 grain jacketed bullet loads. 180 grain cast lead, 231 is her first love. She despises BE-86 and Power Pistol. Why, I don’t know.


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Thanks for the info guys, Godogs57 the load info you provided is worth saving. Getting powder in Alaska is the pits right now. Eventually I am wanting AA#9 and maybe Long Shot and some 220 grain hard cast coated flat nosed bullets and a good 200 or 180 grain XTP load. I have 300 hard cast coated flat nosed 200 grain bullets coming.

I now have 500 rounds of new Starline brass and will get 500 more when sales start. Undecided as to primers and die set up. Looking at the Redding titanium carbide sizing die and the Lee Taper Crimp Die, unsure as to seating die. Also, a case belling die as I will load most of these with the Dillon 550B, but want to be able to use my Redding T-7 also.

I have some old powder like Unique, 2400, WW296, 4227 and couple others that I can use up. Gun will be here next Monday, time to order a couple of holsters.

Thanks again Gents for time and info.

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Those 200g hard cast should do great. Load them over Longshot and 1200 pfs is easy. I actually prefer the 200g wfn to the 220g. The 200 gives you a little more speed for that flat nose smack and still penetrates plenty.

I'm getting a 200g wide fn mold from arsenal so I can make my own powder coated bullets. I'm hoping to cast some and get them shooting great at 1200-1250 for an all around load. They have a really wide meplat so I hope they feed well. I've got tons of wheel weight lead and monotype so I should be able to blend a good alloy.

The 200g xtp has been my mainstay bullet for a few years. I should be able to cast my 200s for less than 15% of what the xtps cost which will get me out practicing more.

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I used Blue Dot with some 215 SWC's. I wasn't trying to make them go real fast.


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I bought quite a few of the 220 Gr Hardcast that Buffalo Bore uses in their loads. Worked up a load with Blue Dot in a Glock 20, use the same load in my Springfield XDM 10mm. Quite accurate and shoots to the same point of impact. Not much data on 220 grain cast loads, so be careful I use a chrono to keep me out of trouble, and not push
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I also load Rim Rock 220 gr hard cast, as Kurt says same as Buffalo Bore over Blue Dot in Starline brass. I load a little hotter than Kurt but it works well in my Springfield 4.5" XD-M. --- Mel


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Originally Posted by olblue
I also load Rim Rock 220 gr hard cast, as Kurt says same as Buffalo Bore over Blue Dot in Starline brass. I load a little hotter than Kurt but it works well in my Springfield 4.5" XD-M. --- Mel


Good to see some fellow xdm 10 shooters. I sent my glock 20 down the road after I got my xdm. The only thing I miss is my 40sw long throated kkm match barrel in my glock 20. It was nice loading 40 to 10mm length and speed and just letting the cheap once fired 40 brass fly and never looking for it. Maybe one day kkm will make a barrel like it for my xdm if enough of us keep going to xdms.

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I agree with others here about using the 200 gr bullets; my Dan Wesson Silverback eats everything, but I really like the XTPs and hard cast. Longshot is your friend. I expect you will really love the DW 10mm.

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Anyone got some numbers to share for longshot? I hear how great it is but published data always falls a good bit short of what people claim they are getting.

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I load 9.2 gr/Longshot, Fed 150, new Starline brass, 180 gr JHP.

With 200 gr bullets, I load 7.5/Longshot, Fed 150, new Starline brass.

I seat bullets at 1.26” COL.

These work great in my Dan Wesson Silverback, the only pistol I have used them in. I do not know the speed of these loads, but estimate about 1250 with the 180s, about 1150 with the 200s.

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Here are my longshot numbers, using a Glock 20 with stock barrel and 6 inch KKM barrel:

New Starline cases, Cci 300 primer

180 gr xtp, 9.0 grns LS
Stock bbl 1250 fps, KKM 1361 fps

200 grain Montana Bullet Works FNPB
8.5 LS, stock 1161 fps, KKM 1311 fps

200 gr XTP, 7.8 grns LS
Stock 1126 fps, KKM 1190 fps

200 Gold Dot, 7.8 grns LS
Stock 1135 fps, KKM 1200 fps

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These are the numbers with Longshot with X-Treme copper plated lead bullet RNFP 200gr from an EAA Witness w/ 4.6" barrel. The top section was for comparison with the same gun but manufactured ammo. All brass was once used mixed but mostly Star line. I settled on 9.5gr of the Longshot.

Load ft/sec ft/sec ft/sec ft/sec ft/sec Mean SD

UW 200xtp 1201 1156 1173 1161 1157 1169.6 18.8095720313
UW 220lead 1184 1148 1166 1144 1160 1160.4 15.8996855315
Montana 1022 1017 1002 1025 1027 1018.6 10.0149887668
Hornady 1346 1380 1331 1159 1137 1270.6 113.5838897027

Load ft/sec ft/sec ft/sec ft/sec ft/sec Mean SD Delta
7.2 1005 1020 1004 Error 1010 1010 7.320063752
7.4 1021 1012 1038 1044 1032 1029 12.9151074328 20
7.6 1055 1067 1074 1101 1074 1074 16.8730554435 45
7.8 1068 1086 1043 1087 1039 1065 22.8757513538 -10
8.0 1078 1098 1103 1119 1092 1098 15.0166574177 33
8.2 1075 1108 1131 1078 1101 1099 23.04994577 1
8.4 1140 1130 1103 1121 1147 1128 17.195929751 30
8.6 1152 1159 1160 1160 1160 1158 3.4928498393 30
8.8 1113 1167 1170 1140 1159 1150 23.6579796263 -8
9.0 1188 1188 1173 1176 1186 1182 7.155417528 32
9.1 1182 1193 1201 1167 1206 1190 15.6428897586 8
9.2 1200 1188 1163 1190 1167 1182 15.8839541676 -8
9.3 1192 1213 1212 1207 1208 1206 8.443932733 25
9.4 1239 1258 1212 1200 1219 1226 22.9847775713 19
9.5 1228 1217 1216 1221 1260 1228 18.2838726751 3
9.6 1213 1252 1240 1239 1252 1239 15.9279628327 11
9.7 1237 1262 1242 1283 1283 1261 21.8242983851 22
9.8 1274 1256 1249 1275 1245 1260 13.9892816113 -2
9.9 Error 1295 1295 1272 1282 1286 11.1654228163 26
10.0 1237 1294 1294 Error Error 1275 32.9089653438 -11


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I killed this bear with my 1911 10mm 200xtp /longshot.

I intended to have a hardcast in it if this situation arose....but timing was off. Blue dot makes good numbers... but it flashes so bad that I don't load anything that might get shot at night.


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Thanks for the data. I got a Glock 40 all tricked out as a hunting rig, but no longer hunt in area that is very handgun friendly.

Also have a XDM as a woods carry gun which is getting the most attention as of late. Other than just midrange soft lead paperpunchers I have been running 140 grain Lehigh defense extreme penetrator. Extremely extremely accurate scary penetration. Still wonder if 140 grains is enough hence the box 200 grain hard cast on the bench. Got a bunch of longshot from days of loading shotgun slugs. Little concerned about feeding of a WFN. Had a few bobbles with some realatively wide roundnose lead in the XD. Still need some more rounds through it though too. The hardcast would be a bit more economical than the Lehigh. A big bear for me to encounter is a 350 pound black maybe a a cougar. Main reason I go armed with a 15 round fullsize is the odds of stumbling on a pot grow and it's gardeners. Probably don't need hardcast for them

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I am loading 10mm for the first time... for my father that lives in another state.

I have some mixed once fired brass, a pound of longshot and some Gallant 200 grain coated round nose flat points

With this tread and other research, I am thinking that 7.5 grains of LS loaded to 1.26" COAL would be a safe general load. It shows as max with Hodgdon data with a similar bullet but I am seeing folks that take cast bullets up to 8.5 grains.

Not looking for bear buster ammo. Just range ammo around 1100ish fps. But I plan on loading 800+ rounds without being able to test the in the DW(s) he will be shooting them in.

Does anyone see an issue with a general load of 7.5 grain LS load with 200 coated cast?


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Be careful with some of the LS load data being posted here. Way over max from what Hodgon and hornady list. Me I stick with 8.0-8.2 gr of longshot with 180gr hard cast or xtp’s.


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Originally Posted by haverluk
I am loading 10mm for the first time... for my father that lives in another state.

I have some mixed once fired brass, a pound of longshot and some Gallant 200 grain coated round nose flat points

With this tread and other research, I am thinking that 7.5 grains of LS loaded to 1.26" COAL would be a safe general load. It shows as max with Hodgdon data with a similar bullet but I am seeing folks that take cast bullets up to 8.5 grains.

Not looking for bear buster ammo. Just range ammo around 1100ish fps. But I plan on loading 800+ rounds without being able to test the in the DW(s) he will be shooting them in.

Does anyone see an issue with a general load of 7.5 grain LS load with 200 coated cast?


You will be just fine with 7.5gr of longshot. Should be fine up to 8.2grs

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8.2gr Longshot under 200gr XTP for 1200 fps in my 5" DW 1911 10MM, got load off Hodgdon's website, they list that charge for the 200gr FMJ, works more than fine for the 200gr XTP, Power Pistol under a 140gr Lehigh Penetrator for a real eye opener load, damn those things drill a deep hole, all loads in new Starline cases.

Also, Montana Bullet Works will send you 250 coated hard cast 200gr bullets for 45 bucks or some such, run them with the same charge of 8.2gr Longshot, they're slicker than snot and harder than a whores heart! very accurate large meplat smooth feeding bullet.

No smilies, bulges or any other BS on the fired cases.


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Originally Posted by 79S
Be careful with some of the LS load data being posted here. Way over max from what Hodgon and hornady list. Me I stick with 8.0-8.2 gr of longshot with 180gr hard cast or xtp’s.

Hodgdon 2021 lists :
Longshot 8.5 start - 9.5 max 180 gr jacketed , 34,600 psi
Longshot 7.0 start - 8.2 max 200gr jacketed , 35,000 psi


Hornady 10mm data has at times proven to be a shizzshow.

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Be careful with some of the LS load data being posted here. Way over max from what Hodgon and hornady list. Me I stick with 8.0-8.2 gr of longshot with 180gr hard cast or xtp’s.

Hodgdon 2021 lists :
Longshot 8.5 start - 9.5 max 180 gr jacketed , 34,600 psi
Longshot 7.0 start - 8.2 max 200gr jacketed , 35,000 psi


Hornady 10mm data has at times proven to be a shizzshow.


You sure about that??? It’s all fun and games until you blow up a 10mm.

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Be careful with some of the LS load data being posted here. Way over max from what Hodgon and hornady list. Me I stick with 8.0-8.2 gr of longshot with 180gr hard cast or xtp’s.

Hodgdon 2021 lists :
Longshot 8.5 start - 9.5 max 180 gr jacketed , 34,600 psi
Longshot 7.0 start - 8.2 max 200gr jacketed , 35,000 psi


Hornady 10mm data has at times proven to be a shizzshow.


You sure about that??? It’s all fun and games until you blow up a 10mm.

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Yes, I’m sure about that , since I looked at their data before posting . Here’s the pics and it’s right there in black and white .
Not trying to argue with you dude just stating facts of what’s printed in Hodgdon 2021 annual . I’m running 200 gold dots with 8.2 longshot comfortably, but as you said it’s all fun and games till it blows ... mine won’t be blowing up but thanks .

It’s hard to scold folks about their loads when they can just go consult another manual and find their load is a ok .

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Be careful with some of the LS load data being posted here. Way over max from what Hodgon and hornady list. Me I stick with 8.0-8.2 gr of longshot with 180gr hard cast or xtp’s.

Hodgdon 2021 lists :
Longshot 8.5 start - 9.5 max 180 gr jacketed , 34,600 psi
Longshot 7.0 start - 8.2 max 200gr jacketed , 35,000 psi


Hornady 10mm data has at times proven to be a shizzshow.


You sure about that??? It’s all fun and games until you blow up a 10mm.

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Yes, I’m sure about that , since I looked at their data before posting . Here’s the pics and it’s right there in black and white .
Not trying to argue with you dude just stating facts of what’s printed in Hodgdon 2021 annual . I’m running 200 gold dots with 8.2 longshot comfortably, but as you said it’s all fun and games till it blows ... mine won’t be blowing up but thanks .

It’s hard to scold folks about their loads when they can just go consult another manual and find their load is a ok .

Take care



I’m not trying to argue with as well. I see folks posting load data especially ones trying mimic underwood and others and I’m like holy chit. Well apparently Hodgon has two load datas going I pull my data from their online source, which as of today shows 8.2grs. Have a great day..


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A new 10mm owner here. Never handloaded pistol cartridges. Would love to roll my own, but pistol primers are the hang up. Are you guys using primers from personal stockpiles or are you able to hunt them down in the current marketplace?
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Welcome to the ‘fire. Primers have been a challenge as of late. The only thing I have had a hard time getting is small pistol primers. In the recent months, I buy primers as I see them. Either online or locally. I posted a local WTB ad as well. Been paying $55 to $100 per 1k. That doesn’t stop folks from asking $120+ per 1k.


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N-105 has become my favorite powder for heavy loads 200-220 grain, in the 10mm.

Top velocity and accuracy.

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Loading 10mm since the late 80's w/ several 10's in the safe(s)

One has primer options w/ primer pockets depths recut....if your platforms mainspring is capable of setting off a rifle primer.

Those who load/shoot XTP's need to push some Speer 180gr Gold Dots to their potential....you'll abandon the Hornady....JUNK.


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Originally Posted by SU35
N-105 has become my favorite powder for heavy loads 200-220 grain, in the 10mm.

Top velocity and accuracy.





Longshot isn't bad, but I prefer N-105 as well.

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Originally Posted by DANS40XC
Loading 10mm since the late 80's w/ several 10's in the safe(s)

One has primer options w/ primer pockets depths recut....if your platforms mainspring is capable of setting off a rifle primer.

Those who load/shoot XTP's need to push some Speer 180gr Gold Dots to their potential....you'll abandon the Hornady....JUNK.


Damn, what's wrong with the 200gr XTP's? i hit a 275lb Kansas whitetail in the last rib, bullet exited crease behind shoulder offside, he walked 20 yards, stood there and died, i have about 500 count of the old 180gr Federal HST's with the double crimp groove, do you think they'd be a better 10mm bullet?


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N-105 has become my favorite powder for heavy loads 200-220 grain, in the 10mm.

Top velocity and accuracy.





Longshot isn't bad, but I prefer N-105 as well.

Tony



I use N-105 for medium loads in my 500 Linebaigh Big T, 460gr Keith bullet at 1000 fps, good stuff.


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Using 200 grain rimrock hard cast bullet, Max load of BE86 starline brass in my glock 20 with 6 inch KKM barrel very accurate. Don't have a chronograph but by the amount of recoil I imagine it's stepping right out. And I'm thinking with a big hardcast bullet will penetrate anything through and through in North America. The only thing I don't like is she smokes like a freight train, but in cleaning zero leading, must be the lube on the RR bullets, I'll take the smoke over leading any day.

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Try powder coated bullets. No leading, no smoke (it's from the lube) and they handle like jacketed. I'm using a Lee 165gr TC with PowerPistol in my 10mm. Use the same bullets in my 40 S&W's too but different powder.

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I've have powder coated many calibers including. 40 just didn't know about powder coating overtop on the lube they put on these

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The lube will not survive powder coating temps. Nor will PC stick to greasy bullets.

I have acetone washed lubed bullets, and then successfully powder coated them.


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Copy that Idaho shooter I didn't think it would work. Did not think about an acetone wash though. I have 100 loaded up already I may try that after I shoot them up. Thanks for the tip.

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You guys can borrow/steal an old pot from Wife, put in lubed bullets, fill three quarters full with water, heat to low simmer, the lube will let go and rise to the top, take old spoon and ladle that chit off in the trash, dump water, dump bullets out on old towel to cool and dry, you're ready to go.


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I would still do the acetone rinse after boiling.

Acetone is cheap by the gallon at the Walmart paint dept. I always have a can handy for many purposes.

Sometimes just to remove the water from wet brass.


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