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Re: Arbery verdict in....... [Re: Muffin] #16654802 11/25/21
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They were dumbasses and f-cked up, the jury got it right except for the guy videoing it.


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If he's not able to use lethal force to prevent it, that only leaves him the choice of handing Arbery the shotgun, i.e., handing a shotgun to someone fitting the description of a local felon? Setting aside the lunacy of handing a shotgun to a suspected felon in the midst of a confrontation with him, is it even legal to arm a suspected felon in Georgia?


No, you are leaving out the third choice. Don't put yourself in that situation in the first place. But that might require an IQ higher than room temperature which was not to be seen on that Georgia street on the day in question.


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Originally Posted by smokepole
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Deep down, you guys know that the verdict constituted an injustice. Three people with the best of civic-minded intentions are being sent to prison for it. That's really what it comes down to. These three are a living sacrifice to the gods of wokeness. Our society is much poorer because of this verdict, and the consequences will be that folks will be even more reluctant to get involved in the face of crime.


I think their intentions were good, they didn't mean to kill him, and I wish he hadn't tried to grab the gun and the cops had showed up to sort it out.

But if you're gonna chase somebody down with a shotgun and attempt to detain them, you need to educate yourself on your state laws. And also, how to do it without bad things happening, like killing the guy when you don't mean to.

If you're not going to do those things, you have no business doing what they did.

MontanaMarine had one of the best observations on that; they went about it all wrong. They didn't have to put themselves in the position they put themselves in.


I agree with that. The minute they got out of the truck they put themselves in a bad position that ended badly for everyone involved. Just drives me nuts when I hear on the radio that 3 white dudes killed a black jogger.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
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Deep down, you guys know that the verdict constituted an injustice. Three people with the best of civic-minded intentions are being sent to prison for it. That's really what it comes down to. These three are a living sacrifice to the gods of wokeness. Our society is much poorer because of this verdict, and the consequences will be that folks will be even more reluctant to get involved in the face of crime.


I think their intentions were good, they didn't mean to kill him, and I wish he hadn't tried to grab the gun and the cops had showed up to sort it out.

But if you're gonna chase somebody down with a shotgun and attempt to detain them, you need to educate yourself on your state laws. And also, how to do it without bad things happening, like killing the guy when you don't mean to.

If you're not going to do those things, you have no business doing what they did.

MontanaMarine had one of the best observations on that; they went about it all wrong. They didn't have to put themselves in the position they put themselves in.
So you think it consistent with the American legal tradition that a series of unfortunate, unintentional, violations of legal technicalities (typically only perceivable by legal experts) should result in long prison terms for those who fall on the wrong side of them?


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His legal obligation was to not put himself in the position he put himself in.


Could the same argument have been used for George Zimmerman and Kyle Rittenhouse?

No, because in either case, Zimmerman and Rittenhouse were never the aggressor.

Isn't it a matter of perspective whether Zimmerman was the aggressor? Couldn't "poor" Trayvon have perceived that he was being cut off from his path by a pursuing Zimmerman?



Yes. Especially considering the circumstances.

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If he's not able to use lethal force to prevent it, that only leaves him the choice of handing Arbery the shotgun, i.e., handing a shotgun to someone fitting the description of a local felon? Setting aside the lunacy of handing a shotgun to a suspected felon in the midst of a confrontation with him, is it even legal to arm a suspected felon in Georgia?


No, you are leaving out the third choice. Don't put yourself in that situation in the first place.

At the point we're discussing, that's already history. Now take it from there.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Deep down, you guys know that the verdict constituted an injustice. Three people with the best of civic-minded intentions are being sent to prison for it. That's really what it comes down to. These three are a living sacrifice to the gods of wokeness. Our society is much poorer because of this verdict, and the consequences will be that folks will be even more reluctant to get involved in the face of crime.


Wrong on all accounts, per usual.

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Those guys fricked up. They are also being sacrificed to the gods of wokeness. Had the exact situation occurred with a methy white guy, they would be home today. But it happened in an election year in a crucial state and it was necessary to drum everything up.

They were technically wrong. But I think justice would have been a plea to manslaughter and some time in the pen. They had no records, were good citizens, were trying, if misguidedly, to do what they perceived as right. This country was founded upon the idea of civic minded men picking up guns and protecting lives and property. If we’re going to get out of this mess we’re in now, a lot of them are going to have to do it again.

Those men did not set out to kill a black guy or anyone else. [bleep] spiraled, mainly based on the actions of the victim. Maybe he was justified. Maybe he was frightened. But there isn’t a soul in America with more than a room temperature IQ who actually believes Arberry would have come to any harm had he simply stopped and said, “What do you want?”

The deal with young black men is that they will fight. Some of them only know how to fight, nothing else. A confrontation with one is likely to escalate. They don’t follow the same rules of confrontations you grew up with. When it escalates, you are very likely to very quickly be in a fight for your life. In today’s climate, you had better be right.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Those guys fricked up. They are also being sacrificed to the gods of wokeness. Had the exact situation occurred with a methy white guy, they would be home today. But it happened in an election year in a crucial state and it was necessary to drum everything up.

They were technically wrong. But I think justice would have been a plea to manslaughter and some time in the pen. They had no records, were good citizens, were trying, if misguidedly, to do what they perceived as right. This country was founded upon the idea of civic minded men picking up guns and protecting lives and property. If we’re going to get out of this mess we’re in now, a lot of them are going to have to do it again.

Those men did not set out to kill a black guy or anyone else. [bleep] spiraled, mainly based on the actions of the victim. Maybe he was justified. Maybe he was frightened. But there isn’t a soul in America with more than a room temperature IQ who actually believes Arberry would have come to any harm had he simply stopped and said, “What do you want?”

The deal with young black men is that they will fight. Some of them only know how to fight, nothing else. A confrontation with one is likely to escalate. They don’t follow the same rules of confrontations you grew up with. When it escalates, you are very likely to very quickly be in a fight for your life. In today’s climate, you had better be right.

Well said.


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Yes well said !!

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Hopefully those dick weeds enjoy prison food….and penis. They should have called the police instead of acting like idiots. They could be celebrating the holiday with loved ones but now they are probably getting raped and mad dogged for their cafeteria trays.

Oh well.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Those guys fricked up. They are also being sacrificed to the gods of wokeness. Had the exact situation occurred with a methy white guy, they would be home today. But it happened in an election year in a crucial state and it was necessary to drum everything up.

They were technically wrong. But I think justice would have been a plea to manslaughter and some time in the pen. They had no records, were good citizens, were trying, if misguidedly, to do what they perceived as right. This country was founded upon the idea of civic minded men picking up guns and protecting lives and property. If we’re going to get out of this mess we’re in now, a lot of them are going to have to do it again.

Those men did not set out to kill a black guy or anyone else. [bleep] spiraled, mainly based on the actions of the victim. Maybe he was justified. Maybe he was frightened. But there isn’t a soul in America with more than a room temperature IQ who actually believes Arberry would have come to any harm had he simply stopped and said, “What do you want?”

The deal with young black men is that they will fight. Some of them only know how to fight, nothing else. A confrontation with one is likely to escalate. They don’t follow the same rules of confrontations you grew up with. When it escalates, you are very likely to very quickly be in a fight for your life. In today’s climate, you had better be right.


None of that matters one bit. Those dipshits had no legal right to stop Arbery, period. Their illegal (and stupid) actions caused the entire situation. End of story.

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Originally Posted by GreatWaputi
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Those guys fricked up. They are also being sacrificed to the gods of wokeness. Had the exact situation occurred with a methy white guy, they would be home today. But it happened in an election year in a crucial state and it was necessary to drum everything up.

They were technically wrong. But I think justice would have been a plea to manslaughter and some time in the pen. They had no records, were good citizens, were trying, if misguidedly, to do what they perceived as right. This country was founded upon the idea of civic minded men picking up guns and protecting lives and property. If we’re going to get out of this mess we’re in now, a lot of them are going to have to do it again.

Those men did not set out to kill a black guy or anyone else. [bleep] spiraled, mainly based on the actions of the victim. Maybe he was justified. Maybe he was frightened. But there isn’t a soul in America with more than a room temperature IQ who actually believes Arberry would have come to any harm had he simply stopped and said, “What do you want?”

The deal with young black men is that they will fight. Some of them only know how to fight, nothing else. A confrontation with one is likely to escalate. They don’t follow the same rules of confrontations you grew up with. When it escalates, you are very likely to very quickly be in a fight for your life. In today’s climate, you had better be right.


None of that matters one bit. Those dipshits had no legal right to stop Arbery, period. Their illegal (and stupid) actions caused the entire situation. End of story.


It matters if you don't want your community to turn into Portland.

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Originally Posted by copperking81
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Those guys fricked up. They are also being sacrificed to the gods of wokeness. Had the exact situation occurred with a methy white guy, they would be home today. But it happened in an election year in a crucial state and it was necessary to drum everything up.

They were technically wrong. But I think justice would have been a plea to manslaughter and some time in the pen. They had no records, were good citizens, were trying, if misguidedly, to do what they perceived as right. This country was founded upon the idea of civic minded men picking up guns and protecting lives and property. If we’re going to get out of this mess we’re in now, a lot of them are going to have to do it again.

Those men did not set out to kill a black guy or anyone else. [bleep] spiraled, mainly based on the actions of the victim. Maybe he was justified. Maybe he was frightened. But there isn’t a soul in America with more than a room temperature IQ who actually believes Arberry would have come to any harm had he simply stopped and said, “What do you want?”

The deal with young black men is that they will fight. Some of them only know how to fight, nothing else. A confrontation with one is likely to escalate. They don’t follow the same rules of confrontations you grew up with. When it escalates, you are very likely to very quickly be in a fight for your life. In today’s climate, you had better be right.


None of that matters one bit. Those dipshits had no legal right to stop Arbery, period. Their illegal (and stupid) actions caused the entire situation. End of story.


It matters if you don't want your community to turn into Portland.


They made their choices and can now pay the consequences.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Deep down, you guys know that the verdict constituted an injustice. Three people with the best of civic-minded intentions are being sent to prison for it. That's really what it comes down to. These three are a living sacrifice to the gods of wokeness. Our society is much poorer because of this verdict, and the consequences will be that folks will be even more reluctant to get involved in the face of crime.

It could much more accurately be stated that three stupid crackers thought they could reinstate 1870s street justice and lynching.

The modern legal system informed them of the error of those thoughts.

"Three people with the best of civic-minded intentions" do not charge around city streets standing in the back of a pickup screaming lethal threats while brandishing firearms.

They do not put themself in this position.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/15/gregory-mcmichael-leaked-the-ahmaud-arbery-video-report/

But vigilantes do!



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Originally Posted by GreatWaputi
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Those guys fricked up. They are also being sacrificed to the gods of wokeness. Had the exact situation occurred with a methy white guy, they would be home today. But it happened in an election year in a crucial state and it was necessary to drum everything up.

They were technically wrong. But I think justice would have been a plea to manslaughter and some time in the pen. They had no records, were good citizens, were trying, if misguidedly, to do what they perceived as right. This country was founded upon the idea of civic minded men picking up guns and protecting lives and property. If we’re going to get out of this mess we’re in now, a lot of them are going to have to do it again.

Those men did not set out to kill a black guy or anyone else. [bleep] spiraled, mainly based on the actions of the victim. Maybe he was justified. Maybe he was frightened. But there isn’t a soul in America with more than a room temperature IQ who actually believes Arberry would have come to any harm had he simply stopped and said, “What do you want?”

The deal with young black men is that they will fight. Some of them only know how to fight, nothing else. A confrontation with one is likely to escalate. They don’t follow the same rules of confrontations you grew up with. When it escalates, you are very likely to very quickly be in a fight for your life. In today’s climate, you had better be right.


None of that matters one bit. Those dipshits had no legal right to stop Arbery, period. Their illegal (and stupid) actions caused the entire situation. End of story.


Enjoy the schithole that Oregon is. I can see by your post that you well and truly deserve it.

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Those guys fricked up. They are also being sacrificed to the gods of wokeness. Had the exact situation occurred with a methy white guy, they would be home today. But it happened in an election year in a crucial state and it was necessary to drum everything up.

They were technically wrong. But I think justice would have been a plea to manslaughter and some time in the pen. They had no records, were good citizens, were trying, if misguidedly, to do what they perceived as right. This country was founded upon the idea of civic minded men picking up guns and protecting lives and property. If we’re going to get out of this mess we’re in now, a lot of them are going to have to do it again.

Those men did not set out to kill a black guy or anyone else. [bleep] spiraled, mainly based on the actions of the victim. Maybe he was justified. Maybe he was frightened. But there isn’t a soul in America with more than a room temperature IQ who actually believes Arberry would have come to any harm had he simply stopped and said, “What do you want?”

The deal with young black men is that they will fight. Some of them only know how to fight, nothing else. A confrontation with one is likely to escalate. They don’t follow the same rules of confrontations you grew up with. When it escalates, you are very likely to very quickly be in a fight for your life. In today’s climate, you had better be right.


None of that matters one bit. Those dipshits had no legal right to stop Arbery, period. Their illegal (and stupid) actions caused the entire situation. End of story.


Enjoy the schithole that Oregon is. I can see by your post that you well and truly deserve it.


Lol, can't defend your argument about the case so have to deflect. Typical.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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His legal obligation was to not put himself in the position he put himself in.


Could the same argument have been used for George Zimmerman and Kyle Rittenhouse?

No, because in either case, Zimmerman and Rittenhouse were never the aggressor.

Isn't it a matter of perspective whether Zimmerman was the aggressor? Couldn't "poor" Trayvon have perceived that he was being cut off from his path by a pursuing Zimmerman?

No. Zimmerman stayed far back and never approached Martin.

Martin hid and laid in wait to ambush Zimmerman. There was much evidence to this including the previously mentioned phone call to his girl friend where he stated his intention to attack "the cracker" following him and talking on his phone.


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Those guys fricked up. They are also being sacrificed to the gods of wokeness. Had the exact situation occurred with a methy white guy, they would be home today. But it happened in an election year in a crucial state and it was necessary to drum everything up.

They were technically wrong. But I think justice would have been a plea to manslaughter and some time in the pen. They had no records, were good citizens, were trying, if misguidedly, to do what they perceived as right. This country was founded upon the idea of civic minded men picking up guns and protecting lives and property. If we’re going to get out of this mess we’re in now, a lot of them are going to have to do it again.

Those men did not set out to kill a black guy or anyone else. [bleep] spiraled, mainly based on the actions of the victim. Maybe he was justified. Maybe he was frightened. But there isn’t a soul in America with more than a room temperature IQ who actually believes Arberry would have come to any harm had he simply stopped and said, “What do you want?”

The deal with young black men is that they will fight. Some of them only know how to fight, nothing else. A confrontation with one is likely to escalate. They don’t follow the same rules of confrontations you grew up with. When it escalates, you are very likely to very quickly be in a fight for your life. In today’s climate, you had better be right.


None of that matters one bit. Those dipshits had no legal right to stop Arbery, period. Their illegal (and stupid) actions caused the entire situation. End of story.


Enjoy the schithole that Oregon is. I can see by your post that you well and truly deserve it.


Lol, can't defend your argument about the case so have to deflect. Typical.


No, I absolutely made the argument and you rejected it. Hell, I even said that they were wrong. You came back with your snarky ass. So, just enjoy the schithole that Oregon as become and continue to let cops let Antifa run wild in your streets. Meanwhile, in America we’re doing our best to keep that from happening.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Deep down, you guys know that the verdict constituted an injustice. Three people with the best of civic-minded intentions are being sent to prison for it. That's really what it comes down to. These three are a living sacrifice to the gods of wokeness. Our society is much poorer because of this verdict, and the consequences will be that folks will be even more reluctant to get involved in the face of crime.


I think their intentions were good, they didn't mean to kill him, and I wish he hadn't tried to grab the gun and the cops had showed up to sort it out.

But if you're gonna chase somebody down with a shotgun and attempt to detain them, you need to educate yourself on your state laws. And also, how to do it without bad things happening, like killing the guy when you don't mean to.

If you're not going to do those things, you have no business doing what they did.

MontanaMarine had one of the best observations on that; they went about it all wrong. They didn't have to put themselves in the position they put themselves in.
So you think it consistent with the American legal tradition that a series of unfortunate, unintentional, violations of legal technicalities (typically only perceivable by legal experts) should result in long prison terms for those who fall on the wrong side of them?


If someone with only the best intentions, who hadn't observed you committing a crime tried to detain you at gunpoint, would you consider that a violation of your rights, or a "legal technicality?"



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