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Then why do you carry a CCW if it is easier and safer to capitulate to the demands of any who might accost you on your hikes? My gun only gets used if my life is wrongly and imminently threatened. That's not what happened here vis a vis Arbery (although it is what happened here vis a vis Travis). Don't pretend to be stupid. These folks were asking someone to wait for the police because they had good reason to believe he was a burglar. He chose to run, and then to fight for the shotgun so that, presumably, he could shoot them. Any person willing to set aside their preconceived notions and prejudices can plainly see that Arbery's life was wrongly and imminently threatened. The Jury could see it. Most impartial observers can see it.
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But if you're agreeing that someone detaining you in that situation is a violation of your rights, then it would be a violation or Arbery's rights too, would you agree?
Objectively, it's not a violation of my rights (despite being innocent, and feeling wronged), because we have to make allowance for mistakes when folks are trying in good conscience to deal with crime, and not escalate all such situations to the point of death, since the police were on the way, at which point (assuming I'm innocent, a stretch in the case of Arbery) I can make my case to them, or a judge, or a jury. If someone tries to illegally detain you for any reason, no matter how well-intentioned, it's a violation of your rights. You just can't admit it, because you'd have to also admit that Arbery's rights were violated.
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Why would you believe the Police had even been summoned?
Why would you believe these criminals had any intention of you surviving this encounter? Often times criminals kill the witness.
For God's sake. You have told us that you are so paranoid of being attacked, that you keep a pistol plastic wrapped in the shower.
Now you tell us that a right minded individual would not attempt to defend himself when apprehended on street by three crazy crackers.
When would you have drawn your CCW and started shooting at the McMichaels? Arbery had no CCW. What choice did he have other than attempt to disarm what he thought was his would be killer?
Look, that’s just bullschit. Don’t pour it on too thick. That kid was there up to no good and he was running because he knew he was up to no good. And no, I’m not excusing the actions of the idiots but this guy was not thinking that these people were criminals intent on murdering him. He got caught fricking around in a house where he shouldn’t have been and he was trying to get away. That’s what happened. Really? Arbery knew he had committed no crime that day, except possibly a nuisance tresspass. He knew he had no evidence of any crime on his person. He had ZERO reason to fear any interaction with the Police. Do you think that maybe he believed a bunch of men displaying weapons chasing him in motor vehicles screaming that they were going to kill him might just carry out that threat. You are really certain that the thought of the Klan trading their horses for pickup trucks never entered his mind. Do you really believe Arbery had never heard of a black man being pursued, beaten, and killed by white men for no good reason. Quit watching TV movies. The Klan ain’t been a thing in 60 years and was highly overblown even then. No, he did not have a reasonable fear of something bad happening to him just because he was black. Stay in Idaho and quit opining on schit for which you have no frame of reference.
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Suppose you are in a store and 3 armed men come in and start to rob the place. You panic and reach for one of the threes gun and he shoots you. Does he get off on self defence because you reached for the gun? Or does the robber get murder charges because you died while he was committing a felony?
I think the Georgia case depends on whether they illegally detained him. If it was illegal they were committing a felony when someone died. If it was a legal detention I think its much less clear.
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This thread indicates that many people do not understand the legal use of deadly force and would feel justified in acting in the manner that got 3 dummies a trip to the nigra rape dungeons. Emotion is best tempered with training.
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What about the 2 other robbers do they murder also.
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I'm just amazed three grown men couldn't subdue one unarmed man without needing a gun.
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To be simple, again. Ahmaud Arbery was the only person that night in that place who was entitled by Georgia law to use deadly force. So, when Arbery attacked Travis McMichaels in an attempt to snatch his shotgun, what was Travis McMichael's legal obligation, assuming he wished to avoid being charged with murder? Please be specific. Travis McMichaels'' legal obligation was to not terrorize Arbery and make him believe he had to fight to survive. The circumstances OF THAT NIGHT did not give Travis the power of citizen arrest. He was just Goober in Mayberry, but not funny, and with a loaded gun.
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Why would you believe the Police had even been summoned?
Why would you believe these criminals had any intention of you surviving this encounter? Often times criminals kill the witness.
For God's sake. You have told us that you are so paranoid of being attacked, that you keep a pistol plastic wrapped in the shower.
Now you tell us that a right minded individual would not attempt to defend himself when apprehended on street by three crazy crackers.
When would you have drawn your CCW and started shooting at the McMichaels? Arbery had no CCW. What choice did he have other than attempt to disarm what he thought was his would be killer?
Look, that’s just bullschit. Don’t pour it on too thick. That kid was there up to no good and he was running because he knew he was up to no good. And no, I’m not excusing the actions of the idiots but this guy was not thinking that these people were criminals intent on murdering him. He got caught fricking around in a house where he shouldn’t have been and he was trying to get away. That’s what happened. Really? Arbery knew he had committed no crime that day, except possibly a nuisance tresspass. He knew he had no evidence of any crime on his person. He had ZERO reason to fear any interaction with the Police. Do you think that maybe he believed a bunch of men displaying weapons chasing him in motor vehicles screaming that they were going to kill him might just carry out that threat. You are really certain that the thought of the Klan trading their horses for pickup trucks never entered his mind. Do you really believe Arbery had never heard of a black man being pursued, beaten, and killed by white men for no good reason. Quit watching TV movies. The Klan ain’t been a thing in 60 years and was highly overblown even then. No, he did not have a reasonable fear of something bad happening to him just because he was black. Stay in Idaho and quit opining on schit for which you have no frame of reference. Your perceptions and mine are of no relevance in this case. We can only guess as to Arbery's perceptions. There are some things of which we do have sure and certain knowledge. We know the minds of young blacks are filled with propaganda telling them the evil, angry, "White Male" is out to get them. And we know it has not been all that long since the last black man was killed on the street by white men.
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Any person willing to set aside their preconceived notions and prejudices can plainly see that Arbery's life was wrongly and imminently threatened.
The Jury could see it. Most impartial observers can see it.
Agree, even if he had stolen property on him (which he didn't), he was unarmed, and they did not WITNESS him doing anything wrong. No justification for citizens arrest.
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And not having conséquences for their actions/not saying he deserved to die but look at the parade killer he shouldn't of been out on the street.
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Preconceved or statistical facts.
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The moral of this story is to mind your own fugking business.
Failure to do so has three dipschits going to prison for the rest of their life and another dipschit dead as Dillinger because he liked to poke around other people’s schit.
Don’t do that.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Why would you believe the Police had even been summoned?
Why would you believe these criminals had any intention of you surviving this encounter? Often times criminals kill the witness.
For God's sake. You have told us that you are so paranoid of being attacked, that you keep a pistol plastic wrapped in the shower.
Now you tell us that a right minded individual would not attempt to defend himself when apprehended on street by three crazy crackers.
When would you have drawn your CCW and started shooting at the McMichaels? Arbery had no CCW. What choice did he have other than attempt to disarm what he thought was his would be killer?
Look, that’s just bullschit. Don’t pour it on too thick. That kid was there up to no good and he was running because he knew he was up to no good. And no, I’m not excusing the actions of the idiots but this guy was not thinking that these people were criminals intent on murdering him. He got caught fricking around in a house where he shouldn’t have been and he was trying to get away. That’s what happened. Really? Arbery knew he had committed no crime that day, except possibly a nuisance tresspass. He knew he had no evidence of any crime on his person. He had ZERO reason to fear any interaction with the Police. Do you think that maybe he believed a bunch of men displaying weapons chasing him in motor vehicles screaming that they were going to kill him might just carry out that threat. You are really certain that the thought of the Klan trading their horses for pickup trucks never entered his mind. Do you really believe Arbery had never heard of a black man being pursued, beaten, and killed by white men for no good reason. Quit watching TV movies. The Klan ain’t been a thing in 60 years and was highly overblown even then. No, he did not have a reasonable fear of something bad happening to him just because he was black. Stay in Idaho and quit opining on schit for which you have no frame of reference. Your perceptions and mine are of no relevance in this case. We can only guess as to Arbery's perceptions. There are some things of which we do have sure and certain knowledge. We know the minds of young blacks are filled with propaganda telling them the evil, angry, "White Male" is out to get them. And we know it has not been all that long since the last black man was killed on the street by white men. Please tell us more about what black people think. One thing is obvious, morons like yourself don’t know Jack s h I t.
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Well, boys, I guess I’m lucky to be alive.
I’ve walked through many homes that were under construction. Just a curiosity to see design, etc.
Glad to be here still!
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The moral of this story is to mind your own fugking business.
Failure to do so has three dipschits going to prison for the rest of their life and another dipschit dead as Dillinger because he liked to poke around other people’s schit.
Don’t do that. Can't disagree with those words of wisdom.
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Why would you believe the Police had even been summoned?
Why would you believe these criminals had any intention of you surviving this encounter? Often times criminals kill the witness.
For God's sake. You have told us that you are so paranoid of being attacked, that you keep a pistol plastic wrapped in the shower.
Now you tell us that a right minded individual would not attempt to defend himself when apprehended on street by three crazy crackers.
When would you have drawn your CCW and started shooting at the McMichaels? Arbery had no CCW. What choice did he have other than attempt to disarm what he thought was his would be killer?
Look, that’s just bullschit. Don’t pour it on too thick. That kid was there up to no good and he was running because he knew he was up to no good. And no, I’m not excusing the actions of the idiots but this guy was not thinking that these people were criminals intent on murdering him. He got caught fricking around in a house where he shouldn’t have been and he was trying to get away. That’s what happened. Really? Arbery knew he had committed no crime that day, except possibly a nuisance tresspass. He knew he had no evidence of any crime on his person. He had ZERO reason to fear any interaction with the Police. Do you think that maybe he believed a bunch of men displaying weapons chasing him in motor vehicles screaming that they were going to kill him might just carry out that threat. You are really certain that the thought of the Klan trading their horses for pickup trucks never entered his mind. Do you really believe Arbery had never heard of a black man being pursued, beaten, and killed by white men for no good reason. Quit watching TV movies. The Klan ain’t been a thing in 60 years and was highly overblown even then. No, he did not have a reasonable fear of something bad happening to him just because he was black. Stay in Idaho and quit opining on schit for which you have no frame of reference. Your perceptions and mine are of no relevance in this case. We can only guess as to Arbery's perceptions. There are some things of which we do have sure and certain knowledge. We know the minds of young blacks are filled with propaganda telling them the evil, angry, "White Male" is out to get them. And we know it has not been all that long since the last black man was killed on the street by white men. Please tell us more about what black people think. One thing is obvious, morons like yourself don’t know Jack s h I t. Hello, sock puppet.
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For a new guy it doesn't appear you have the ability to civilly converse without calling every member rude names...tell me, are you old enough to shave ?
A year and 9 months is a new guy, again you show your intelligence. I'm 12 btw dumbass You were a fuggin idiot on HPA and you're a fuggin idiot here. GFY Around here yeah you're a new guy, and I don't even know what HPA is...so you have me confused with someone else. If your best rebuttal in a civil discussion is name calling, you've already lost due to low intellect.
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And we know it has not been all that long since the last black man was killed on the street by white men.
You're all ate up with woke brainwashing, aren't you?
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