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IDK Texas law but according to some reports, the shooters lawyer is citing “castle doctrine”.
As a side, it might be a good idea to refresh on your own state laws. Here, the shooter is going to jail. Funny he was not charged or arrested. No he wasn't but all of the SandBilly's think that he is guilty. LMAO at them
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IDK Texas law but according to some reports, the shooters lawyer is citing “castle doctrine”.
As a side, it might be a good idea to refresh on your own state laws. Here, the shooter is going to jail. Funny he was not charged or arrested. No he wasn't but all of the SandBilly's think that he is guilty. LMAO at them He is guilty, of being a pussy. Like you. 🤣
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I agree with a major case of dumbass for all the players in that event. But I don't think the event had risen to the point that deadly force was warranted. I suspect a jury will agree.
Unbelievable stupidity, shooters in for a ten-twenty year a$s-reaming. Well-deserved too. Will follow this one, it won't end well for anyone. Shooter walks, book it Meh, no chance. Homeowner could (should) have have resolved that issue without violence or at least shot the guy in the leg. No jury will call this 'good.' Man dead for nothing.
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IDK Texas law but according to some reports, the shooters lawyer is citing “castle doctrine”.
As a side, it might be a good idea to refresh on your own state laws. Here, the shooter is going to jail. Funny he was not charged or arrested. No he wasn't but all of the SandBilly's think that he is guilty. LMAO at them He is guilty, of being a pussy. Like you. 🤣 I live at 470 Williams Rd. Columbia, La Come on over big boy You dead wrong on this issue so you turn personal I'd say you are the pussy that is a Democrat/Marxist ploy to accuse the other of what you are guilty of.
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Curious to hear the clear audio and if any threats were made by the deceased and curious if the deceased was ever arrested for DV of the ex.
Lucky it happened in Texas. Might have a shot to beat it. Obviously he should have just grabbed any family members and went in the house , lock the doors. call the police to report
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IDK Texas law but according to some reports, the shooters lawyer is citing “castle doctrine”.
As a side, it might be a good idea to refresh on your own state laws. Here, the shooter is going to jail. Funny he was not charged or arrested. No he wasn't but all of the SandBilly's think that he is guilty. LMAO at them He is guilty, of being a pussy. Like you. 🤣 I live at 470 Williams Rd. Columbia, La Come on over big boy You dead wrong on this issue so you turn personal I'd say you are the pussy that is a Democrat/Marxist ploy to accuse the other of what you are guilty of. Struck a nerve. That happened to that pussy in that video too. Pussy 😆
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IDK Texas law but according to some reports, the shooters lawyer is citing “castle doctrine”.
As a side, it might be a good idea to refresh on your own state laws. Here, the shooter is going to jail. Funny he was not charged or arrested. No he wasn't but all of the SandBilly's think that he is guilty. LMAO at them He is guilty, of being a pussy. Like you. 🤣 I live at 470 Williams Rd. Columbia, La Come on over big boy You dead wrong on this issue so you turn personal I'd say you are the pussy that is a Democrat/Marxist ploy to accuse the other of what you are guilty of. Struck a nerve. That happened to that pussy in that video too. Pussy 😆 No just showing that you are the pussy Not only that but you are stupid Do I need to define the word for you
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Murder, absolutely, 100% murder.
He should be in jail for a long time. So you would have let the guy kick your @ss, take your gun and shoot you on your own porch? You are one total fuqtard.
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What a mess,
The father was pissed at her and the delay of seeing his Son,
Tempers and emotions were off the charts,
The Son lost his father at the front step of the house he lives in..
I don't care about any laws that may apply,
The Father was unnecessarily murdered. The "father" killed himself. He did not listen to the shooter, on his property and acted aggressively to the point of grabbing for the gun. Suicide by stupid.
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What a mess,
The father was pissed at her and the delay of seeing his Son,
Tempers and emotions were off the charts,
The Son lost his father at the front step of the house he lives in..
I don't care about any laws that may apply,
The Father was unnecessarily murdered. The "father" killed himself. He did not listen to the shooter, on his property and acted aggressively to the point of grabbing for the gun. Suicide by stupid. Exactly
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Play stupid games - Win stupid prizes. As soon as the victim got muzzled - he has two choices. 1. Leave and file charges. 2. Cold-cock the MF. GR If the "victim" had struck the homeowner then the shoot was even more justifiable. Why is it you leftrats always feel you have no right to defend what is yours?
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Yes, but did Dad have legal right to be there on the porch to pick up kids?? Castle Doctrine in Texas says you DON’T have to retreat, but then again, it doesn’t really give you the right to ADVANCE (ie: OPEN a locked door/physical barrier, go OUTSIDE, ESCALATE the argument, THEN shoot a guy when argument goes south). There WAS physical separation. Call the cops and wait for them to remove him. Joe Horn shot both in the back in broad daylight because they were stealing from his neighbor and he walked This is in Texad and Texas law STEALING. All the Dad was doing, initially, after being asked to leave, was TRESPASSING. The Mom and boyfriend had a right to “defend their castle” (home), but do they have a right to go OUTSIDE (around physical barrier) to ESCALATE the situation?? Woman was outside deceased was agitated and escalating in anger boyfriend came onto the porch to protect girlfriend and his property In Texas, it’s “movable” property being stolen (stuff that can be carried off), that is defensible. Since Dad was not trying to enter home (at least not on video), that is not “defensible”. Mom didn’t look scared of death/harm as a “third person”. That leaves boyfriend, who only got in a physical altercation AFTER he stepped OUTSIDE. Again, you don’t have to “retreat” in Texas, but retrieving a gun from inside, then going OUTSIDE and ESCALATING the situation, is NOT allowed (escalation).
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Yes, but did Dad have legal right to be there on the porch to pick up kids?? Castle Doctrine in Texas says you DON’T have to retreat, but then again, it doesn’t really give you the right to ADVANCE (ie: OPEN a locked door/physical barrier, go OUTSIDE, ESCALATE the argument, THEN shoot a guy when argument goes south). There WAS physical separation. Call the cops and wait for them to remove him. Joe Horn shot both in the back in broad daylight because they were stealing from his neighbor and he walked This is in Texad and Texas law STEALING. All the Dad was doing, initially, after being asked to leave, was TRESPASSING. The Mom and boyfriend had a right to “defend their castle” (home), but do they have a right to go OUTSIDE (around physical barrier) to ESCALATE the situation?? Woman was outside deceased was agitated and escalating in anger boyfriend came onto the porch to protect girlfriend and his property In Texas, it’s “movable” property being stolen (stuff that can be carried off), that is defensible. Since Dad was not trying to enter home (at least not on video), that is not “defensible”. Mom didn’t look scared of death/harm as a “third person”. That leaves boyfriend, who only got in a physical altercation AFTER he stepped OUTSIDE. Again, you don’t have to “retreat” in Texas, but retrieving a gun from inside, then going OUTSIDE and ESCALATING the situation, is NOT allowed (escalation). Don't see it that way he was asked to leave and did not. When boyfriend came onto the porch he got more aggressive. Apparently not as cut and dried as you think, shooter hasn't been arrested or charged
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Yes, but did Dad have legal right to be there on the porch to pick up kids?? Castle Doctrine in Texas says you DON’T have to retreat, but then again, it doesn’t really give you the right to ADVANCE (ie: OPEN a locked door/physical barrier, go OUTSIDE, ESCALATE the argument, THEN shoot a guy when argument goes south). There WAS physical separation. Call the cops and wait for them to remove him. Joe Horn shot both in the back in broad daylight because they were stealing from his neighbor and he walked This is in Texad and Texas law STEALING. All the Dad was doing, initially, after being asked to leave, was TRESPASSING. The Mom and boyfriend had a right to “defend their castle” (home), but do they have a right to go OUTSIDE (around physical barrier) to ESCALATE the situation?? Woman was outside deceased was agitated and escalating in anger boyfriend came onto the porch to protect girlfriend and his property In Texas, it’s “movable” property being stolen (stuff that can be carried off), that is defensible. Since Dad was not trying to enter home (at least not on video), that is not “defensible”. Mom didn’t look scared of death/harm as a “third person”. That leaves boyfriend, who only got in a physical altercation AFTER he stepped OUTSIDE. Again, you don’t have to “retreat” in Texas, but retrieving a gun from inside, then going OUTSIDE and ESCALATING the situation, is NOT allowed (escalation). How did the guy with the gun "escalate" the situation? The idiot who refused to leave and pushed the other guy around, on his own property escalated the situation. Would you actually let someone push you around on your own porch?
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As mentioned previously, a whole lot of stupid going on with both sides...
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Yes, but did Dad have legal right to be there on the porch to pick up kids?? Castle Doctrine in Texas says you DON’T have to retreat, but then again, it doesn’t really give you the right to ADVANCE (ie: OPEN a locked door/physical barrier, go OUTSIDE, ESCALATE the argument, THEN shoot a guy when argument goes south). There WAS physical separation. Call the cops and wait for them to remove him. Joe Horn shot both in the back in broad daylight because they were stealing from his neighbor and he walked This is in Texad and Texas law STEALING. All the Dad was doing, initially, after being asked to leave, was TRESPASSING. The Mom and boyfriend had a right to “defend their castle” (home), but do they have a right to go OUTSIDE (around physical barrier) to ESCALATE the situation?? Woman was outside deceased was agitated and escalating in anger boyfriend came onto the porch to protect girlfriend and his property In Texas, it’s “movable” property being stolen (stuff that can be carried off), that is defensible. Since Dad was not trying to enter home (at least not on video), that is not “defensible”. Mom didn’t look scared of death/harm as a “third person”. That leaves boyfriend, who only got in a physical altercation AFTER he stepped OUTSIDE. Again, you don’t have to “retreat” in Texas, but retrieving a gun from inside, then going OUTSIDE and ESCALATING the situation, is NOT allowed (escalation). How did the guy with the gun "escalate" the situation? The idiot who refused to leave and pushed the other guy around, on his own property escalated the situation. Would you actually let someone push you around on your own porch? Exactly
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Was the shooter in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm?
I don't see it. ^^^this is the essential issue in use of deadly force. It did not appear that any innocent person was in imminent jeopardy...until the firearm was introduced into the situation. There did not appear to be enough disparity between the mutual combatants to justify use of a deadly weapon. The shooter left and returned w/ the weapon which may justify premeditation and a charge of capital murder. There was lot of ignorance on display in the video and some on this thread. Texas differs from most jurisdictions in this area of the law so who knows? mike r
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“Don't see it that way he was asked to leave and did not. When boyfriend came onto the porch he got more aggressive.
Apparently not as cut and dried as you think, shooter hasn't been arrested or charged”
Nothing about this will be “cut and dried”. The questions will be:
1) Did boyfriend have right to introduce a gun (it wasn’t already in his hands/on his person)and bring it outside, for “trespassing”???
2) Did boyfriend have a legitimate reason to think ex-wife feared for her life or was about to get beaten, out there??
Trespassing is not a justification of legitimate use of deadly force.
Wife didn’t look that scared.
Watch first 5 seconds. Dad arguing with boyfriend. Then, boyfriend goes inside (not prevented by Dad) then COMES BACK OUTSIDE with gun he has retrieved.
Boyfriend was already in his “castle” (indoors), and took it upon himself to go outside to confront Dad about trespassing. Does the DOOR mark the line between “castle defense” and “escalation”??
We’ll see...
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