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It’s all good….besides we’re all just making a SWAG anyway. 😁
I figure there’s enough bullshit for me to get worked up over…..this doesn’t make the cut. Well I sure stirred up some of the schitheads! You’re probably just a 5’4” pussy too. Hah! Nope. Schithead are you calling him a pussy because he was short or because he killed a guy he didn't have to? Could it be a short guy issue? This could have been a setup to kill Read. We don't know do we. Nah, i called you a pussy. Pussy Coming from you it means nothing or less, keep trying though.
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The word pussy is being thrown around a lot.
Ironic, since it's pussy that got those boys into hot water.
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The only thing I know for sure is that at some point everyone is going to wish for a do-over, including the decedent and the children. If you know what I mean.
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You saying little man should have just taken the beating like everyone gets sometimes?  It would seem that many here think it is OK to snuff some turd for trespassing. Killing to prevent an azzwhuppin' is an even more complex decision. In what jurisdiction is lethal force justified when 2 persons are in disagreement and there is no disparity between the 2 in ability to project or defend against physical violence? Shoot first, think later, never take a brain to a gunfight! LOL. The CF legal beagles never disappoint. mike r He didn't get shot for trespassing, he got killed because he was stupid. There is a big difference.
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The only thing I know for sure is that at some point everyone is going to wish for a do-over, including the decedent and the children. If you know what I mean. Agreed. Their lives will never be the same.
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I don't know Texas law, and I certainly agree that dad clearly advanced on the shooter, threatened to take the weapon away from the shooter, and even attempted to take it. What I am wondering is whether Texas law authorizes a home occupant to point a firearm at a verbally irate person who does not leave his property upon the home occupant's request, because the issue of who is the aggressor could be determined based on that point rather than at the point where dad goes after the shooter. If home occupant was legally justified to point the gun, dad was the aggressor. If not, home occupant may be considered the initial aggressor for pointing the gun (ordinarily considered aggravated assault unless justifiable) and dad may have a right of self-defense which could include taking the gun away. (Dad did not step on the porch until after home occupant swung the rifle past dad.) I also agree that, at least around here, these cases are hard to get a conviction on an intentional homicide charge.
You must have better eyes or be watching a different video than I watched. Let's look at this in the abstract before going to the specific. If anyone posting on this thread was standing in a public place where they had the right to be in the same proximity to the shooter and the shooter in this case did exactly what the shooter did when he walked out holding a rifle and swung it the way the shooter did, could not a person reasonably believe that they were in imminent fear of being killed or suffering serious bodily injury at the hands of a person armed with a deadly weapon? Turning to specifics, I thought from looking at the video that the shooter moved the gun forward in a manner that it appeared to sweep dad. I could be wrong on that. But, actual sweeping or pointing may not be necessary (see prior paragraph), and my point of view from stepmom's camera anyway doesn't count. It depends on what dad saw and reasonably believed. This is a situation where "dead men tell no tales" benefits the shooter. But, as I noted earlier, we don't even have to discuss this point if Texas law allows you to threaten to use deadly force on an irate person who wont back off the dirt patch in front of your residence after being requested to do so. It appears that many Texans posting on this thread think that it is totally lawful to do so, which, if true, makes this is a lawful shooting. One of them was going to get a Darwin award anyway, and dad was the winner here. That’s the thing. You DON’T have this “right” in Texas: “But, as I noted earlier, we don't even have to discuss this point if Texas law allows you to threaten to use deadly force on an irate person who wont back off the dirt patch in front of your residence after being requested to do so. It appears that many Texans posting on this thread think that it is totally lawful to do so, which, if true, makes this is a lawful shooting.” Irate (verbally loud), and po’ed because you won’t give him his kid, is not the same as a “imminent threat to life/safety”. Mom and boyfriend probably shouldn’t have gone outside. Boyfriend was back INSIDE (to retrieve gun), and thus “safe” (unless Dad made an attempt to enter house). Unless there was a reason to be concerned about the life/safety of MOM (I didn’t see her run, or try to go inside, or Dad make any threats of VIOLENCE to her), then boyfriend had NO legal justification for bringing a gun into it.. Lotsa stupid to go around here, but stupidity is not (always) a legal justification for shooting someone. Yep.
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You saying little man should have just taken the beating like everyone gets sometimes? It would seem that many here think it is OK to snuff some turd for trespassing. Killing to prevent an azzwhuppin' is an even more complex decision. In what jurisdiction is lethal force justified when 2 persons are in disagreement and there is no disparity between the 2 in ability to project or defend against physical violence? Shoot first, think later, never take a brain to a gunfight! LOL. The CF legal beagles never disappoint. mike r He didn't get shot for trespassing, he got killed because he was stupid. There is a big difference. Were stupid illegal the world would be a better place. I am all for shooting stupid people but I don't expect to get away with doing so. YMMV mike r
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I’ll always defend the right for every American to carry.
But a lot of you should not carry.
LOL I'd make that a Tag Line. It's so dead on. But if we broadcast it, we will all pay.
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I agree with a major case of dumbass for all the players in that event. But I don't think the event had risen to the point that deadly force was warranted. I suspect a jury will agree.
Unbelievable stupidity, shooters in for a ten-twenty year a$s-reaming. Well-deserved too. Will follow this one, it won't end well for anyone. Shooter walks, book it Haven't read thru all of this but I'll put money against this
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Dude was set up from the get with forethought and probably recent searches on puter about castle law.
Not that castle law is a bad thing at all.
Kids not home for a reason.
Mom had alot to do with build up beforehand for sure.
She probably does ATM...
God bless her...
Castle law might cover the shrimp.
But an awful lotta history and what not behind it all also.
I probably would have shot the guy too.
Teal colored shirt...
Semi skinny jeans...
Sneakers....
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Fashion disaster.......
Bullshit! If you were willing to kill over fashion, poor old Slummy would be toes up. I think. I have covid fashion taste.
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Courts and evil ex-wives are why my phone blows up with 27 Amber Alerts a week. Another idiot speaks
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I’ll always defend the right for every American to carry.
But a lot of you should not carry.
LOL I'd make that a Tag Line. It's so dead on. But if we broadcast it, we will all pay. It's broadcast here daily. The adage "Police your own" comes to mind. Few here do.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I watched the video and decided that texans really are retarded.
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I watched the video and decided that texans really are retarded. Spent a summer around Whitleyville Tennessee, you live in a glass house.
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You saying little man should have just taken the beating like everyone gets sometimes? It would seem that many here think it is OK to snuff some turd for trespassing. Killing to prevent an azzwhuppin' is an even more complex decision. In what jurisdiction is lethal force justified when 2 persons are in disagreement and there is no disparity between the 2 in ability to project or defend against physical violence? Shoot first, think later, never take a brain to a gunfight! LOL. The CF legal beagles never disappoint. mike r He didn't get shot for trespassing, he got killed because he was stupid. There is a big difference. LOL two brainiacs right here
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https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/1...nd-offers-some-important-lessons-n482485Anyone that can watch the first ten seconds of that video with the victim capped 10-12 feet from the shooter and call this 'justified' is nuts, End of story. Even more worrisome is the line of fire behind the victim, the shooter was lucky to not have killed another. At the very least manslaughter. This would be murder 2 or 3 in liberal New Jersey.
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https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/1...nd-offers-some-important-lessons-n482485Anyone that can watch the first ten seconds of that video with the victim capped 10-12 feet from the shooter and call this 'justified' is nuts, End of story. Even more worrisome is the line of fire behind the victim, the shooter was lucky to not have killed another. At the very least manslaughter. This would be murder 2 or 3 in liberal New Jersey. Your gold standard. LOL You fugking idiot.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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What a mess,
The father was pissed at her and the delay of seeing his Son,
Tempers and emotions were off the charts,
The Son lost his father at the front step of the house he lives in..
I don't care about any laws that may apply,
The Father was unnecessarily murdered. I think it was a preplanned murder and that's why the kids aren't there. I agree. Nothing there seemed accidental, and the little banty rooster didn't seem worked up before or after the shooting. The shooter made the statement, "I didn't want to do this". I highly doubt that. Will his kids get to draw his social security?
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https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/1...nd-offers-some-important-lessons-n482485Anyone that can watch the first ten seconds of that video with the victim capped 10-12 feet from the shooter and call this 'justified' is nuts, End of story. Even more worrisome is the line of fire behind the victim, the shooter was lucky to not have killed another. At the very least manslaughter. This would be murder 2 or 3 in liberal New Jersey. I wouldn't have shot him unless I knew for sure he was a Biden voter. Lubbock Texas is unlikely to even bring this to trial. by the way Redstate is BS.
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