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I wish the individuals involved well and hope they win. I think "intent" should be taken into account, they had no intention to trespass or hunt on private property (hence why G&F didn't cite)
But I can't fathom how BHA HQ doesn't get behind this and cough up some cash, even if a measly amount. They constantly point to their volunteers and state chapter's and all they do. Yet who is raking in the cash? Hint, it's not the volunteers or state chapter's doing the work.
That is the biggest issue most have with bha. The avg. Joe paying a membership fee is called upon to pay up to belong, volunteer their time, and then when a call to action appears is expected to foot the bill. All while the head HQ rakes in the cash and just donates to leftist PACs and campaigns.
It doesn't pass the common sense test. Buzzy disagrees. BHA heroes like buzzy hunt off of public closed forest service roads so its all good lol Are BHA heroes like Buzzy, Land Tawney, Charles post and Randy Newburg working on more gun control measures to help sportsmen procure and maintain public hunting grounds? BHA just pimps public lands to make a buck and sportsmen have fewer and fewer hunting opportunities every year. Not one cent from BHA goobers to actually do what they advertise. You left out Busse.
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If they own the air above the private ground what happens when they use a helicopter to access public ground?
Air rights only extend to certain heights in most jurisdictions, usually to align with the height that aircraft fly. A helicopter that flies at, say, 20 ft above private property is generally trespassing. At 2000 ft, it's probably in authorized flight lanes and thus not trespassing. Covered in title 10 no height requirements. Come on Buzz read the FAA requirements, its not just no requirements depending on aircraft and if buildings are involved I've read them well aware of the regs. What do they say about drones... Who cares, is it an aircraft?
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At some point people that believe in private property rights are going to say enough is enough, and there's already a ground swell building out there that the socialist/communist among us aren't seeing.
I believe very strongly in private property rights. I also believe in public lands being public and support corner crossing. So are you willing to get into bed with BHA over it? Nope My stance exactly, you gotta pick between the lesser of 2 evils and in my opinion BHA is the Devil in sheep's clothing.Lands nice cushy 135,000- 145,000 salary and # 2 guys 100,000 + salary should tell people something. Even Lands parent were heavily involved in " non- profit ' big money liberal organizations. Ed Bangs who was instrumental in the wolf reintroduction donated 20,000 to BHA it goes on and on. I agree completely. But I still think access should be guaranteed or they do a land swap with the state (if state land). I understand if federal it would be more complicated but it still ought to be. That or offered one time opportunity to buy it at market value cash only. Never known the state to win a land swap. Normally the landowner gets nice, primo land and the state gets barren grassland, you can see every animal on it from the road a few miles away, lol.
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While I understand the legalities.....as a landowner who is quite protective of my property, I cannot see getting twisted up over someone corner crossing. Whether swinging a leg over a fence or using the corner gates with a vehicle, I'm not wrapped tight enough to deny access to land because you need a few square feet of mine to get from one section to another. Right on. I agree.
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If they own the air above the private ground what happens when they use a helicopter to access public ground?
There used to be a rule that you could not hunt the same day you flew in, or there was a 24 wait from the time you fly in, until you can hunt. The land may not be allowed to be camped on overnight. I think the delay rule has been modified or changed.
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If they own the air above the private ground what happens when they use a helicopter to access public ground?
There used to be a rule that you could not hunt the same day you flew in, or there was a 24 wait from the time you fly in, until you can hunt. The land may not be allowed to be camped on overnight. I think the delay rule has been modified or changed. I was just curious. I have seen multiple hunting shows do this and if they are willing to film it and show it it must be ok.
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If they own the air above the private ground what happens when they use a helicopter to access public ground?
There used to be a rule that you could not hunt the same day you flew in, or there was a 24 wait from the time you fly in, until you can hunt. The land may not be allowed to be camped on overnight. I think the delay rule has been modified or changed. Correct, myself and a good friend of mine rewrote the regulation and got it successfully passed by the commission. No more 24 hour wait.
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If they own the air above the private ground what happens when they use a helicopter to access public ground?
There used to be a rule that you could not hunt the same day you flew in, or there was a 24 wait from the time you fly in, until you can hunt. The land may not be allowed to be camped on overnight. I think the delay rule has been modified or changed. Correct, myself and a good friend of mine rewrote the regulation and got it successfully passed by the commission. No more 24 hour wait. You sound proud of that, guess you big money guys that can fly everywhere its fine. Whats good for the Goose is not always good for the Gander right Buzzy
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If they own the air above the private ground what happens when they use a helicopter to access public ground?
There used to be a rule that you could not hunt the same day you flew in, or there was a 24 wait from the time you fly in, until you can hunt. The land may not be allowed to be camped on overnight. I think the delay rule has been modified or changed. Correct, myself and a good friend of mine rewrote the regulation and got it successfully passed by the commission. No more 24 hour wait. You sound proud of that, guess you big money guys that can fly everywhere its fine. Absolutely proud of it, also made it illegal to use any aircraft or drone to be used to scout any big or trophy game from August through January while we were at it. Prior to us changing the regulation you couldn't fly into landlocked state land and hunt it due to camping being against regulations.
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The west is bi-polar, half the argument is over fences and access and half the arguments are over free range grazing.
I stated earlier that the corner crossing case is just the tip of a very large public/private land problem. The government agencies tend to favor the ranchers, the ranchers have obvious financial interests and the rights of taxpayers to access are all a balancing act that is currently completely out of balance.
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I wish the individuals involved well and hope they win. I think "intent" should be taken into account, they had no intention to trespass or hunt on private property (hence why G&F didn't cite)
But I can't fathom how BHA HQ doesn't get behind this and cough up some cash, even if a measly amount. They constantly point to their volunteers and state chapter's and all they do. Yet who is raking in the cash? Hint, it's not the volunteers or state chapter's doing the work.
That is the biggest issue most have with bha. The avg. Joe paying a membership fee is called upon to pay up to belong, volunteer their time, and then when a call to action appears is expected to foot the bill. All while the head HQ rakes in the cash and just donates to leftist PACs and campaigns.
It doesn't pass the common sense test. Come on Tawney, step up and have corporate HQ support access to PUBLIC LAND
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I wish the individuals involved well and hope they win. I think "intent" should be taken into account, they had no intention to trespass or hunt on private property (hence why G&F didn't cite)
But I can't fathom how BHA HQ doesn't get behind this and cough up some cash, even if a measly amount. They constantly point to their volunteers and state chapter's and all they do. Yet who is raking in the cash? Hint, it's not the volunteers or state chapter's doing the work.
That is the biggest issue most have with bha. The avg. Joe paying a membership fee is called upon to pay up to belong, volunteer their time, and then when a call to action appears is expected to foot the bill. All while the head HQ rakes in the cash and just donates to leftist PACs and campaigns.
It doesn't pass the common sense test. Come on Tawney, step up and have corporate HQ support access to PUBLIC LAND Well Rinella stepped up and posted about this on his social media. More than the BHA Bozeman has done.............
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Still would like to know what the 30,000 is for if the 4 attorneys are taking this pro- bono.
Come on Buzzy you said transparent, if you wait untill you spend it then its to late.
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How do you know the legal work is pro-bono?
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Still would like to know what the 30,000 is for if the 4 attorneys are taking this pro- bono.
Come on Buzzy you said transparent, if you wait untill you spend it then its to late. Sherm I think what Buzz was saying was that the Elk mountain owner was using the Public DA instead of hiring his own team since he is a multi millionaire. The 4 hunters all hired their own attorney’s.
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.Dont get me wrong but seems like the DA is suppose to uphold the law for anybody Wether there a multi millionaire or just avg. Joe right so if the law was broke hes just doing his job.
I wouldnt call Land pulling down 145,000 a year as an avg. Joe in montana or wyoming.
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Buzzy likes to call out multi- millionaires but there's got to be some in the pocket of BHA for revenue to go up nearly 3 million in one year.
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All Bullshit aside, dont listen to me Buzzy or anybody else look up were there big donors money comes from, who they support and what side of the wolf, G - bear and trapping there on.
Walks like a duck quacks like a duck ITS A DUCK!!
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If they own the air above the private ground what happens when they use a helicopter to access public ground?
There used to be a rule that you could not hunt the same day you flew in, or there was a 24 wait from the time you fly in, until you can hunt. The land may not be allowed to be camped on overnight. I think the delay rule has been modified or changed. Correct, myself and a good friend of mine rewrote the regulation and got it successfully passed by the commission. No more 24 hour wait. You sound proud of that, guess you big money guys that can fly everywhere its fine. Absolutely proud of it, also made it illegal to use any aircraft or drone to be used to scout any big or trophy game from August through January while we were at it. Prior to us changing the regulation you couldn't fly into landlocked state land and hunt it due to camping being against regulations. You really are a class A, bonafide $hitheel.
I was thinking the other day how much I used to hate Bill Clinton. He was freaking George Washington compared to what they are now.
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I wish the individuals involved well and hope they win. I think "intent" should be taken into account, they had no intention to trespass or hunt on private property (hence why G&F didn't cite) Incorrect. They had no intention to hunt. They had every intention to trespass, knowing that they would unavoidably pass through clearly marked private property and doing so anyways. There are two statutes at play here - plain trespassing and trespassing to hunt. The later is enforced by Game and Fish. The former, by normal law enforcement. This was a violation of the former but not the latter, so G&F stayed out of it.
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