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What are your thoughts on a 7mm-08 with 140 gr Accubonds at 2960 fps and an elk out at 500yds. .
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I;ve killed two, but never a 500 yards
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My first thought is: 2960, dang how long is your barrel? My second thought is why is 500 yards important? Just curious
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I have killed around 10. Longest close to 300.
I have been shooting ttsx.
I might do 400 but don’t think I would do 5
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Only killed 1 elk cow with 140 TTSX at 160 yds.
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The reason I mentioned 500 yd is because that would be my personal limit for a game animal. I practice out to 500 frequently at my range. My 7mm-08 has a 23" proof barrel and must be a fast barrel as I am .5 grain under max with no pressure signs and yet the chrono shows 2960. The JBM ballistic calc says just over 2000fps at 500 and a little over 1300 energy. I was looking to see what real world info was out there on a 7mm-08 out to the 500 yard mark. I'm thinking I might need to look towards a bigger hammer for the elk if I want to shoot that far. So either I spend the money on an elk rifle set up or live with a shorter max range.
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What are your thoughts on a 7mm-08 with 140 gr Accubonds at 2960 fps and an elk out at 500yds. . Have you looked to see what your velocity will be at that range? Have you shot that load at that range? I’m guessing that velocity will be too low at that range. If I was set on shooting 500 yards I’d look for a more powerful cartridge. That said, try to get closer. Shooting 500 yards (my self imposed limit on game under ideal conditions is 400 yards) at live animals is pushing the limit for most really good shooters. The typical hunter probably shouldn’t be shooting much more than half that distance at live animals in real world hunting conditions. Edit-just saw you answered my questions before I could ask them. If those numbers are right that bullet should do it’s job at that distance, I would think.
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In all my years of hunting, I've only shot 1 elk over 300 (350). Most have been under 200. The last 3 years I shot 1 at 150 and 2 under 75.
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Mid weight barnes ttsx [140] and moderate or closer ranges its good elk medicine.
Sorry didnt read the 500 yard part. As has been stated above my comfort would start to run out with the ttsx opening well at 500. Guess if my 7-08 shot both the ttsx and the accubond well I would hunt with the ttsx and if that exact situation presented with a controlled broadside rib shot would switch to the accubond.
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I've shot over 20 with my 7-08 and the 140 accubond at 2860.
Farthest was 620. My brother killed a bull with my rifle at 486....rest have been 300 or less, majority less than 200.
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I've taken over a dozen elk with my 7mm-08. When I see elk at 500 yards I immediately start figuring out how to get at least 200 yards closer. I'm not a long range guy, even though I shoot my rifles enough to be proficient at that distance. I've taken over 30 elk and just over 300 yards was my furthest shot. I happen to love trying to get closer so that I can ensure a good, clean kill. I've seen wayyyyyyy too many hunters take really long shots, and then walk away when the animal doesn't drop. A number of times I've gone to where the animals were at, only to find the hunter(s) had wounded one, and sometimes more. My recommendation is to get closer or be willing to pass on a shot.
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My wife shot a nice 7x8 NM bull at 405 yds with a 7-08ai in 2015. She used a 120 gr TTSX at a MV of around 3050 fps. Altitude was around 7000 ft. The bullet hit just below and behind the heart and exited. The bull walked about 40 yds uphill and laid down. It took over a half an hour for my wife and her guide to get to the bull. There was no blood trail. He was still alive but was rustling around when they got close to him. She had to put another bullet in him to finish the kill. I believe she would have gotten better on game performance if she's used a higher BC bullet like the Accubond. With a MV of 2920 fps, the Accubond would have been traveling faster than the 120 by the time it reached the bull.
If I had it to do all over again, or if she ever goes elk hunting again, I'll probably go with the 139 gr LRX (wasn't available at the time). Good expansion down to 2000 fps, decent BC to retain downrange velocity and maximize the expansion and penetration of the bullet. But I'd think an Accubond would be another good option for a 500 yd poke. At 500 yds, the 140 would be traveling almost 100 fps faster than a 120 gr with the MVs I used above. Regarding velocity, Barnes lists several powders on their website that provide velocities over 2900 fps with the 139 and 140 gr bullets.
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In all my years of hunting, I've only shot 1 elk over 300 (350). Most have been under 200. The last 3 years I shot 1 at 150 and 2 under 75. Fascinating.
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What are your thoughts on a 7mm-08 with 140 gr Accubonds at 2960 fps and an elk out at 500yds. . I have carried my 7-08 elk hunting (loaded with 150 Partitions at the time) but not killed one with it, so I’m just spitballing here..... At 500 I’d smack it with a 162 ELDM. At more normal ranges the 140 Accubond should work fine, though I’ve only killed deer with that particular Accubond. Accubonds are good bullets, and 7-08 velocities at normal hunting ranges are about perfect for them. It’s not going to blow up, it is going to expand, and it is going to penetrate.
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You are only about 150 FPS below 7mm RM velocities so it’s a decent elk killing load. I’d say 500 is pushing the effective range, 500 was my limit when I used the 7mm magnum with 150 TTSX. Killed a few past 300 never tried 500 even though we practice out to 800 yards.
They are extremely tough animals sometimes traveling 200+ yards downhill when hit well with a 7mm bullet so I switched to a 300 Weatherby & 180’s years ago with much better stopping results. Last couple of cows were DRT but both under 250 yards. With that combination I have killed a cow at 550 without a long trailing job, she got 2 in the chest then bacflipped over a small cliff. I’m over 90% hits at 5& 600 yards practicing in 15 mph winds sitting resting on my backpack. If there is more wind than that under 300 would be my limit.
I’d agree with most that you might want a shorter limit unless you knew you could get follow up shots & know where it went fairly certainly. That is the case in a couple of canyons I’ve hunted but not many they tend to like cover close in my observation.
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Not a problem if you limit your range to the capability of your chosen bullet at impact velocity. I had pretty good results on mule deer and elk with 150 TTSX out of my 7mm Weatherby at 3,180 FPS muzzle velocity. Happy trails
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What are your thoughts on a 7mm-08 with 140 gr Accubonds at 2960 fps and an elk out at 500yds. . I've shot over 20 with my 7-08 and the 140 accubond at 2860.
Farthest was 620. My brother killed a bull with my rifle at 486....rest have been 300 or less, majority less than 200. I think Buzz is the one that gave you the answer you need. My experience with the 7-08 on elk is limited to exactly one bull with a 150 Ballistic Tip at 40 yards, but I'd have no hesitation with the 7-08/140 NAB at 500 yards. Aside, in the three 22" 7-08's I owned, I generally loaded 140's at around 2,830 +/-. If you're running a 22" barrel, you're dancing with the angels @ 2,960. A 24" barrel will barely get you there with a couple of powders. Maybe. I've said it before, I think the 7-08 is the most hot-rodded cartridge on the campfire...
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I agree 100% with Brad.
It will work at 500 yards, with proper shot placement of course.
And the 7-08 is the most hot rodded because everyone wants it to be a 270.
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Also agree with Brad. If I'm shooting 140'ish bullets in a 22" barrel, I'm looking for about 2825 fps.
Usually that's with about 48grns of H-4350.
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What are your thoughts on a 7mm-08 with 140 gr Accubonds at 2960 fps and an elk out at 500yds. . I've shot over 20 with my 7-08 and the 140 accubond at 2860.
Farthest was 620. My brother killed a bull with my rifle at 486....rest have been 300 or less, majority less than 200. I think Buzz is the one that gave you the answer you need. My experience with the 7-08 on elk is limited to exactly one bull with a 150 Ballistic Tip at 40 yards, but I'd have no hesitation with the 7-08/140 NAB at 500 yards. Aside, in the three 22" 7-08's I owned, I generally loaded 140's at around 2,830 +/-. If you're running a 22" barrel, you're dancing with the angels @ 2,960. A 24" barrel will barely get you there with a couple of powders. Maybe. I've said it before, I think the 7-08 is the most hot-rodded cartridge on the campfire... What are your thoughts on a 7mm-08 with 140 gr Accubonds at 2960 fps and an elk out at 500yds. . I've shot over 20 with my 7-08 and the 140 accubond at 2860.
Farthest was 620. My brother killed a bull with my rifle at 486....rest have been 300 or less, majority less than 200. I think Buzz is the one that gave you the answer you need. My experience with the 7-08 on elk is limited to exactly one bull with a 150 Ballistic Tip at 40 yards, but I'd have no hesitation with the 7-08/140 NAB at 500 yards. Aside, in the three 22" 7-08's I owned, I generally loaded 140's at around 2,830 +/-. If you're running a 22" barrel, you're dancing with the angels @ 2,960. A 24" barrel will barely get you there with a couple of powders. Maybe. I've said it before, I think the 7-08 is the most hot-rodded cartridge on the campfire...
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Brad- I appreciate your information along with others on this subject of 7mm-08 for use on elk. After reading through this information I think I will just keep my shots closer to a 400 yard max. I have shot several elk around the 300 yard mark but all of those fell to a 7mm mag , 300 win mag or 338 win mag. Most have been around 100 yd. All of those rifles have gone down the road because I just didn’t plan on doing much elk hunting with a rifle in the future. For the last few years it has been archery.
My load for my 7mm-08 is 47 gr of Big Game. Like I said before it shows no pressure signs but the chronograph shows 2960 fps.
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My load for my 7mm-08 is 47 gr of Big Game. Like I said before it shows no pressure signs but the chronograph shows 2960 fps. rdd, happy to offer any experience I may have. Velocity IS your pressure sign (2,960 is way too high w/ 22"). I got to 2,900 (barely) with the 140's and Big Game (22"), but couldn't find the accuracy I wanted.
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The answer to more velocity in a 7mm-08 is a 280 or 7mm Mag.
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I did mic the case just ahead of cartridge case head before firing and then would check them as I worked up. The thousands of difference is one indicator along with flat primer and bolt lift. I also agree that velocity it an indicator. Didn’t have that at 47 gr of Big Game. Maybe future loads I should back off 2/10 gr and see if that brings it closer to 2900 fps. I find that a lot of people that reload don’t shoot over a chronograph while working up loads. I have no intent on making my 7mm-08 into a .280 
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I've taken over a dozen elk with my 7mm-08. When I see elk at 500 yards I immediately start figuring out how to get at least 200 yards closer. I'm not a long range guy, even though I shoot my rifles enough to be proficient at that distance. I've taken over 30 elk and just over 300 yards was my furthest shot. I happen to love trying to get closer so that I can ensure a good, clean kill. I've seen wayyyyyyy too many hunters take really long shots, and then walk away when the animal doesn't drop. A number of times I've gone to where the animals were at, only to find the hunter(s) had wounded one, and sometimes more. My recommendation is to get closer or be willing to pass on a shot. Excellent advice!!! Please take it, OP. Get closer than 500.
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Many try to make the popular SA cartridges more than they can be. The 6.5 Creed, 7-08 Rem, 308 WCF, all kill game way out there, usually well beyond most shooters skill levels. All three of the aforementioned get around 2,725 fps with 140, 150 and 165 grain bullets with 22” barrels. If you need 2,900 fps plus forget about adding 2” of barrel, just go to a 270 WCF, 280 Rem or a 30-06 with a 22” barrel. An over pressure load is something no one needs when hunting, it just doesn’t buy much in the real world except possible grief. This toil between velocity, barrel length, SA, LA, etc., isn’t worth losing any sleep over or worse yet something more critically needed.
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I was skeptical, but I gotta be fair here and eat my words: a 22” 7-08 will easily push a 162 ELDM over 2700 fps. Maybe it’s the short bearing surface- I don’t know. But I’ve done it and in fact that‘s what my 22” is zeroed with. I smacked a big mule deer with that bullet at over 600 (from a WSM) so I have a general idea what it does at the lower velocities... it goes WHUMP! and the critter falls over, lol.
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I don’t know. I’d guess it’s not ideal. In my rifle the POI with the 140 NAB is close enough to not matter at more normal ranges so I zero for the 162 and call it good.
My Kimber 7 WSM is also zeroed for the 162 but the POI is off enough to matter with 160 Accubonds, so I just have a little mark on the turrets for the NAB zero.
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The 162 AM works fine up close, even at higher impact velocities. I haven’t tried the 162 ELD yet, but it’s basically just the 162 AM +P.
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The distance isn't the problem in most of these situations- it is the bullet performance. As long as you can hit the mark at the range you intend, it is up to the bullet performance envelope to do the job. If you choose a bullet that the manufacturer says performs best from 2000fps -3400fps and you are right at 2000 fps at the animal, you may get some erratic performance. Hitting the target is half the battle, choosing the right bullet is the other half...
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We’ve been loading the 145 gr Speer btsp in 2 rifles at just over 2800. I wouldn’t call either rifle one a Tikka and one a BLR 500 yrd guns at least how my buddy and I have them rigged. But under 400 in good conditions I would use it with confidence.
The 140gr AB should be a great choice if it shoots well.
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Wonder how many loads that brass is good for when loaded to 2960 with 140's? Mb
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I've said it before, I think the 7-08 is the most hot-rodded cartridge on the campfire...
Couldn't agree more. I've only killed one elk in my life, but I've killed loads of animals with it up through Aoudad. I wouldn't hesitate to take it to Africa and kill anything up to eland sized game. I'm very content with my 140 AB's running 2820, and 120 BT's at 3000. The extra 100fps doesn't mean squat to me.
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I don't shoot much anymore, and I don't still handload. My question is, of factory 7-08 ammo out to 400 yards, which seems the best option for cow elk? Nosler 140 Accubond, Hornady 139 GMX, or Barnes 120 TTSX - if ammo can be found? In particular, are they all reliable to expand at 400 yards?
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I was skeptical, but I gotta be fair here and eat my words: a 22” 7-08 will easily push a 162 ELDM over 2700 fps. Maybe it’s the short bearing surface- I don’t know. But I’ve done it and in fact that‘s what my 22” is zeroed with. I smacked a big mule deer with that bullet at over 600 (from a WSM) so I have a general idea what it does at the lower velocities... it goes WHUMP! and the critter falls over, lol. POST YOUR LOAD!!! (Sorry, couldn't resist)
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Got a 7mm-08 Howa Alpine here with a 2 lb Timney trigger topped off with a Nikon Monarch 2.5x8. I inherited a mess of Nosler 140 gr E-tips.
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I'd go with 140 accubond. It's going to expand a lot more at extended ranges and lower velocity.
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I’ve killed elk out to 346 yards with 140 Partition started at 2870. DRT.
I’ve seen a bull killed at 409 yards with 150 ELDX started at 2790.
If you’re getting 2960 fps with 47 gr Big Game and 140 AB I’d check your chrono.
AB is a good bullet.
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I was skeptical, but I gotta be fair here and eat my words: a 22” 7-08 will easily push a 162 ELDM over 2700 fps. Maybe it’s the short bearing surface- I don’t know. But I’ve done it and in fact that‘s what my 22” is zeroed with. I smacked a big mule deer with that bullet at over 600 (from a WSM) so I have a general idea what it does at the lower velocities... it goes WHUMP! and the critter falls over, lol. POST YOUR LOAD!!! (Sorry, couldn't resist) Blast from the past 
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Below are some readily available internet loads from reliable sources for the 7-08:
140 gr bullets, 24" barrel
Hodgdon data - StaBall 6.5 - 2976 fps
Alliant data - RL-16 - 2952 fps
Barnes data - RL-17 - 2911 fps
Barnes data - A-2700 - 2939 fps
Barnes data - Big Game - 2910 fps
Barnes data - 2000MR - 2933 fps
Hornady data - 2000MR - 2918 fps
Hornady data - W760 - 2917 fps
Hornady data is with a 139 gr bullet, and a 22" barrel
It's a great round, that doesn't have to be hot rodded to reach out as far as most hunters would want to shoot. Wife or I (sometimes both of us) have shot one for the past 15 years. The 139 gr LRX will be the bullet of choice for my next elk hunt.
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Below are some readily available internet loads from reliable sources for the 7-08:
140 gr bullets, 24" barrel
Hodgdon data - StaBall 6.5 - 2976 fps
Alliant data - RL-16 - 2952 fps
Barnes data - RL-17 - 2911 fps
Barnes data - A-2700 - 2939 fps
Barnes data - Big Game - 2910 fps
Barnes data - 2000MR - 2933 fps
Hornady data - 2000MR - 2918 fps
Hornady data - W760 - 2917 fps
Hornady data is with a 139 gr bullet, and a 22" barrel
It's a great round, that doesn't have to be hot rodded to reach out as far as most hunters would want to shoot. Wife or I (sometimes both of us) have shot one for the past 15 years. The 139 gr LRX will be the bullet of choice for my next elk hunt. I don’t believe these velocity claims.
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That would be a decent elk cartridge in my opinion. But I personally woud not shoot at elk with it at 500 yards.
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Below are some readily available internet loads from reliable sources for the 7-08:
140 gr bullets, 24" barrel
Hodgdon data - StaBall 6.5 - 2976 fps
Alliant data - RL-16 - 2952 fps
Barnes data - RL-17 - 2911 fps
Barnes data - A-2700 - 2939 fps
Barnes data - Big Game - 2910 fps
Barnes data - 2000MR - 2933 fps
Hornady data - 2000MR - 2918 fps
Hornady data - W760 - 2917 fps
Hornady data is with a 139 gr bullet, and a 22" barrel
It's a great round, that doesn't have to be hot rodded to reach out as far as most hunters would want to shoot. Wife or I (sometimes both of us) have shot one for the past 15 years. The 139 gr LRX will be the bullet of choice for my next elk hunt. I don’t believe these velocity claims. Pharm, I sure ain't trying to start a pissing match and I know you have lots of experience with the 7-08 and Big Game, and I appreciate your sharing your experience with all of us on the Fire. These numbers came from businesses that made either the powder or the bullet, tested it and published the data. I'm just reporting it. I for one have verified that 2000MR, W760, A2700, and RL-17 can all exceed 2900 fps in a 24" barrel without going over the manufacturer's max powder charge. Barnes Big Game load with a 140 gr TSX/TTSX is 49.1 gr of powder. Don't you reckon that'll get you to 2910 fps? Good hunting brother.
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Wonder if the 150 ABLR would have better ballistics at 500 than the 140 Accubond, even though MV would be 100 fps slower (or more).
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Wonder if the 150 ABLR would have better ballistics at 500 than the 140 Accubond, even though MV would be 100 fps slower (or more). Short answer: yes.
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I don’t doubt the published velocity claims, but how many 7-08’s have a 24” test barrel?
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In all my years of hunting, I've only shot 1 elk over 300 (350). Most have been under 200. The last 3 years I shot 1 at 150 and 2 under 75. Fascinating. Thanks for the laugh Brad.
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Below are some readily available internet loads from reliable sources for the 7-08:
140 gr bullets, 24" barrel
Hodgdon data - StaBall 6.5 - 2976 fps
Alliant data - RL-16 - 2952 fps
Barnes data - RL-17 - 2911 fps
Barnes data - A-2700 - 2939 fps
Barnes data - Big Game - 2910 fps
Barnes data - 2000MR - 2933 fps
Hornady data - 2000MR - 2918 fps
Hornady data - W760 - 2917 fps
Hornady data is with a 139 gr bullet, and a 22" barrel
It's a great round, that doesn't have to be hot rodded to reach out as far as most hunters would want to shoot. Wife or I (sometimes both of us) have shot one for the past 15 years. The 139 gr LRX will be the bullet of choice for my next elk hunt. I don’t believe these velocity claims. Pharm, I sure ain't trying to start a pissing match and I know you have lots of experience with the 7-08 and Big Game, and I appreciate your sharing your experience with all of us on the Fire. These numbers came from businesses that made either the powder or the bullet, tested it and published the data. I'm just reporting it. I for one have verified that 2000MR, W760, A2700, and RL-17 can all exceed 2900 fps in a 24" barrel without going over the manufacturer's max powder charge. Barnes Big Game load with a 140 gr TSX/TTSX is 49.1 gr of powder. Don't you reckon that'll get you to 2910 fps? Good hunting brother. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not doubting you, I’m doubting the businesses who make money from those claims.
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I tested some loads in a couple of 7mm08 rifles I've been building over the last year or so.
Tested with my 140 gr Nosler partition loads using W760 powder and regular LR primers.
No signs of pressure issues yet.
Using Caldwell chrono
Shooting at 8000' elev may have helped getting these velocities
24" Krieger barrel, 3 shots, Velocity was 2909, 2928,2945 = 2927 avg
24" Lilja barrel, 3 shots, velocity was 2815, 2944, 2940 = 2899 avg
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I tested some loads in a couple of 7mm08 rifles I've been building over the last year or so.
Tested with my 140 gr Nosler partition loads using W760 powder and regular LR primers.
No signs of pressure issues yet.
Using Caldwell chrono
Shooting at 8000' elev may have helped getting these velocities
24" Krieger barrel, 3 shots, Velocity was 2909, 2928,2945 = 2927 avg
24" Lilja barrel, 3 shots, velocity was 2815, 2944, 2940 = 2899 avg
I get 2885 with 140 Partitions from a 22.4” Tikka so I think your numbers are accurate.
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In all my years of hunting, I've only shot 1 elk over 300 (350). Most have been under 200. The last 3 years I shot 1 at 150 and 2 under 75. Fascinating. Thanks for the laugh Brad. Happy to oblige Mackay… 
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In all my years of hunting, I've only shot 1 elk over 300 (350). Most have been under 200. The last 3 years I shot 1 at 150 and 2 under 75. Fascinating. Thanks for the laugh Brad. Calm down delta force…
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What are your thoughts on a 7mm-08 with 140 gr Accubonds at 2960 fps and an elk out at 500yds. . I've shot over 20 with my 7-08 and the 140 accubond at 2860.
Farthest was 620. My brother killed a bull with my rifle at 486....rest have been 300 or less, majority less than 200. I think Buzz is the one that gave you the answer you need. My experience with the 7-08 on elk is limited to exactly one bull with a 150 Ballistic Tip at 40 yards, but I'd have no hesitation with the 7-08/140 NAB at 500 yards. Aside, in the three 22" 7-08's I owned, I generally loaded 140's at around 2,830 +/-. If you're running a 22" barrel, you're dancing with the angels @ 2,960. A 24" barrel will barely get you there with a couple of powders. Maybe. I've said it before, I think the 7-08 is the most hot-rodded cartridge on the campfire... What are your thoughts on a 7mm-08 with 140 gr Accubonds at 2960 fps and an elk out at 500yds. . I've shot over 20 with my 7-08 and the 140 accubond at 2860.
Farthest was 620. My brother killed a bull with my rifle at 486....rest have been 300 or less, majority less than 200. I think Buzz is the one that gave you the answer you need. My experience with the 7-08 on elk is limited to exactly one bull with a 150 Ballistic Tip at 40 yards, but I'd have no hesitation with the 7-08/140 NAB at 500 yards. Aside, in the three 22" 7-08's I owned, I generally loaded 140's at around 2,830 +/-. If you're running a 22" barrel, you're dancing with the angels @ 2,960. A 24" barrel will barely get you there with a couple of powders. Maybe. I've said it before, I think the 7-08 is the most hot-rodded cartridge on the campfire... Slap yo self on the back of the head you are stuck on repeat..
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What are your thoughts on a 7mm-08 with 140 gr Accubonds at 2960 fps and an elk out at 500yds. . They bounce off .
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I don’t doubt the published velocity claims, but how many 7-08’s have a 24” test barrel? Just about no factory 7-08 rifles with 24" barrels. So get real and post real-world data from 22" barrels.
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My 7-08 700 North American SS custom shop has a 24” barrel.
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I had three factory 7-08s with 24" barrels, one was a Winchester "Super Shadow", one was a Remington SPS, and one was a factory takeoff barrel off of a Rem 700 Ti Alaskan. Still have the 24" fluted barrel of the Alaskan, it's been reamed to 7-08AI and is now in the SPS action and a Bansner HiTech stock. Wife took a nice 7x8 bull in NM in 2015 with that combo at 405 yds using 120 gr TTSX. You can add about 40-50 fps to what you're seeing with a 22" barrel.
And PS, you don't have to hot rod the AI to get 2900 fps+ easily with 140 grainers. I'm not looking for max velocity, just a good decent velocity and best accuracy.
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I tested some loads in a couple of 7mm08 rifles I've been building over the last year or so.
Tested with my 140 gr Nosler partition loads using W760 powder and regular LR primers.
No signs of pressure issues yet.
Using Caldwell chrono
Shooting at 8000' elev may have helped getting these velocities
24" Krieger barrel, 3 shots, Velocity was 2909, 2928,2945 = 2927 avg
24" Lilja barrel, 3 shots, velocity was 2815, 2944, 2940 = 2899 avg
I get 2885 with 140 Partitions from a 22.4” Tikka so I think your numbers are accurate. The only 7mm-08 I own is a tikka superlite but I think I remember reading that Tikkas commonly have slow barrels. Any truth to this that you're aware of?
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My Tikka is fast, I get right at published velocities for 24in barrels with the factory barrel. Tight chamber or fast barrel, whatever. It's also very accurate. I've used two different cronos to test.
120 BTs and H4895 3080fps, this is the load I use, low recoil, kills elk and deer easily, just well balanced in a light rifle.
Big Game I've gotten 3160 with the 120 BT
Staball 6.5, 139gr SST, I've gotten 3035, 3011, 3015 with max 51gr... and 2989, 3002 with 50gr. In a light gun it really jumped/recoiled, primers a bit flat and ejector marks, bolt lift was fine. Overall I don't like the balance of rifle and load. Dropped down to 48gr and it averaged about 2880fps, much better to shoot.
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I tested some loads in a couple of 7mm08 rifles I've been building over the last year or so.
Tested with my 140 gr Nosler partition loads using W760 powder and regular LR primers.
No signs of pressure issues yet.
Using Caldwell chrono
Shooting at 8000' elev may have helped getting these velocities
24" Krieger barrel, 3 shots, Velocity was 2909, 2928,2945 = 2927 avg
24" Lilja barrel, 3 shots, velocity was 2815, 2944, 2940 = 2899 avg
I get 2885 with 140 Partitions from a 22.4” Tikka so I think your numbers are accurate. The only 7mm-08 I own is a tikka superlite but I think I remember reading that Tikkas commonly have slow barrels. Any truth to this that you're aware of? I’ve heard this too but if Tikkas are slow, they’re not that slow. I figure 25, maybe 30 fps per inch. My Tikka is fast, I get right at published velocities for 24in barrels with the factory barrel. Tight chamber or fast barrel, whatever. It's also very accurate. I've used two different cronos to test.
120 BTs and H4895 3080fps, this is the load I use, low recoil, kills elk and deer easily, just well balanced in a light rifle.
Big Game I've gotten 3160 with the 120 BT
Staball 6.5, 139gr SST, I've gotten 3035, 3011, 3015 with max 51gr... and 2989, 3002 with 50gr. In a light gun it really jumped/recoiled, primers a bit flat and ejector marks, bolt lift was fine. Overall I don't like the balance of rifle and load. Dropped down to 48gr and it averaged about 2880fps, much better to shoot.
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51.5 gr Big Game with 120 BT got me 3126. Kinda snappy but not over pressure. P
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I don’t doubt the published velocity claims, but how many 7-08’s have a 24” test barrel? Just about no factory 7-08 rifles with 24" barrels. So get real and post real-world data from 22" barrels. 22.5” barrel. 47.5 grains Big Game R-P brass Fed GM210M 140 Accubond 2,890 fps.
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I don’t doubt the published velocity claims, but how many 7-08’s have a 24” test barrel? Just about no factory 7-08 rifles with 24" barrels. So get real and post real-world data from 22" barrels. 22.5” barrel. 47.5 grains Big Game R-P brass Fed GM210M 140 Accubond 2,890 fps. I might have to give this a try…
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I don’t doubt the published velocity claims, but how many 7-08’s have a 24” test barrel? Just about no factory 7-08 rifles with 24" barrels. So get real and post real-world data from 22" barrels. 22.5” barrel. 47.5 grains Big Game R-P brass Fed GM210M 140 Accubond 2,890 fps. I might have to give this a try… No experience, but I would bet that would work just fine at moderate range. My money is on Pharmeller!
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A lot of good info here but you need to look past it - The cartridge of a given calibre does not really matter. You need to look at the bullet performance at given ranges to determine if that particular scenario will work. Then apply it to what your desired cartridge can do with that info. Just my .02.
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I have a good friend who grew up elk hunting here in MT. He started with the 7-08. In the hands of himself, his sister and a couple cousins, the 7-08 accounted for nearly 20 elk. I asked him what he currently is using - answer, "300 ultra Mag." Next I asked him if he or any of his family ever had any problem with the 7-08 on elk - answer, "no."
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You can kill an elk with a .222 also.
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I have a good friend who grew up elk hunting here in MT. He started with the 7-08. In the hands of himself, his sister and a couple cousins, the 7-08 accounted for nearly 20 elk. I asked him what he currently is using - answer, "300 ultra Mag." Next I asked him if he or any of his family ever had any problem with the 7-08 on elk - answer, "no."
I looked over at his jacked-up monster truck and absorbed this reality... I think this partially fits me. I have alot of rifles and take them all elk hunting cause I want to, not because I think most any of them will sweep elk off their feet. I like rifles and cartridges and trying different things. I have ran a 270 up to a 375 Improved. I know there hasn't been an elk I have personally killed or been in on the hunting of the 270 Winchester wouldn't have worked fine, with all of the other disclaimers about using a decent bullet and knowing the trajectory, etc. I will say in my jaded way that I like how well the 338 Win with 210 Swifts and the 7 Mashburn with 175 Bitterroots has worked on a handful of elk a piece. They didn't do backflips or nothing like that but they also didn't wander anywhere except for one I shot on the move with the Mashburn. I think his momentum carried him the 30 yards or so it took to nosedive. So yeah, I might just have to load up my little 7-08 with the 132/140 Bitterroots I have and see if I can find a mangy old elk with it 
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I have a good friend who grew up elk hunting here in MT. He started with the 7-08. In the hands of himself, his sister and a couple cousins, the 7-08 accounted for nearly 20 elk. I asked him what he currently is using - answer, "300 ultra Mag." Next I asked him if he or any of his family ever had any problem with the 7-08 on elk - answer, "no."
I looked over at his jacked-up monster truck and absorbed this reality... I think this partially fits me. I have alot of rifles and take them all elk hunting cause I want to, not because I think most any of them will sweep elk off their feet. I like rifles and cartridges and trying different things. I have ran a 270 up to a 375 Improved. I know there hasn't been an elk I have personally killed or been in on the hunting of the 270 Winchester wouldn't have worked fine, with all of the other disclaimers about using a decent bullet and knowing the trajectory, etc. I will say in my jaded way that I like how well the 338 Win with 210 Swifts and the 7 Mashburn with 175 Bitterroots has worked on a handful of elk a piece. They didn't do backflips or nothing like that but they also didn't wander anywhere except for one I shot on the move with the Mashburn. I think his momentum carried him the 30 yards or so it took to nosedive. So yeah, I might just have to load up my little 7-08 with the 132/140 Bitterroots I have and see if I can find a mangy old elk with it Beretzs, I've done the exact same thing as I enjoy rifles (or did). When I moved here to Montana I had read enough to know elk were armor-plated, so I started with a 22" bbl'd 338 WM loaded w/210 Partitions. It worked admirably on several bulls, but I noticed my friends who grew up here typically used something like a 270 or 30-06. I started going backwards in cartridges, using the 30-06, and when it appeared in the early 2000's, the 300 WSM. No surprise, they killed elk just fine. Then I went in reverse even more to the 270, and my favorite, the 308 Win. I also used the 7-08 on one bull. Of course, what I "discovered" was the right bullet in the right place does the job, and as I got older (now 60) I found I enjoyed less recoil. Or maybe I never liked recoil all that much and just finally admitted it to myself. Probably a mixture of both If anyone asks me what the "best" elk rifle is, I tell them a 22" bbl'd 338 WM loaded with 210 Partitions. Problem is I don't want to carry or shoot the "best" elk rifle, so I'm entirely happy with a lightweight 308 Win (or 270, 7-08, 6.5 CM, etc.).
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I have a good friend who grew up elk hunting here in MT. He started with the 7-08. In the hands of himself, his sister and a couple cousins, the 7-08 accounted for nearly 20 elk. I asked him what he currently is using - answer, "300 ultra Mag." Next I asked him if he or any of his family ever had any problem with the 7-08 on elk - answer, "no."
I looked over at his jacked-up monster truck and absorbed this reality... I think this partially fits me. I have alot of rifles and take them all elk hunting cause I want to, not because I think most any of them will sweep elk off their feet. I like rifles and cartridges and trying different things. I have ran a 270 up to a 375 Improved. I know there hasn't been an elk I have personally killed or been in on the hunting of the 270 Winchester wouldn't have worked fine, with all of the other disclaimers about using a decent bullet and knowing the trajectory, etc. I will say in my jaded way that I like how well the 338 Win with 210 Swifts and the 7 Mashburn with 175 Bitterroots has worked on a handful of elk a piece. They didn't do backflips or nothing like that but they also didn't wander anywhere except for one I shot on the move with the Mashburn. I think his momentum carried him the 30 yards or so it took to nosedive. So yeah, I might just have to load up my little 7-08 with the 132/140 Bitterroots I have and see if I can find a mangy old elk with it Beretzs, I've done the exact same thing as I enjoy rifles (or did). When I moved here to Montana I had read enough to know elk were armor-plated, so I started with a 22" bbl'd 338 WM loaded w/210 Partitions. It worked admirably on several bulls, but I noticed my friends who grew up here typically used something like a 270 or 30-06. I started going backwards in cartridges, using the 30-06, and when it appeared in the early 2000's, the 300 WSM. No surprise, they killed elk just fine. Then I went in reverse even more to the 270, and my favorite, the 308 Win. I also used the 7-08 on one bull. Of course, what I "discovered" was the right bullet in the right place does the job, and as I got older (now 60) I found I enjoyed less recoil. Or maybe I never liked recoil all that much and just finally admitted it to myself. Probably a mixture of both If anyone asks me what the "best" elk rifle is, I tell them a 22" bbl'd 338 WM loaded with 210 Partitions. Problem is I don't want to carry or shoot the "best" elk rifle, so I'm entirely happy with a lightweight 308 Win (or 270, 7-08, 6.5 CM, etc.). For sure, my long time partner is 75 this year. I think he carried an old PF M70 300 Win from just after he returned home from Vietnam. It's a heavy package all set up but he's carried it miles and miles in elk country. One year while hunting in AZ when we were tracking elk I thought to myself, what a good gift for the old man would be a light gun. His wife and I conspired and got him a Kimber 280 Ackley. In the past few years he has accounted for a decent number of elk. He loves the weight and says the 280 with the 160 AB doesn't induce the reaction his 300 did but all of his elk have been easily recovered. So I think that is a good example of what you're gradually going towards and myself down the line as well. I had a similar experience. I have a P64 Featherweight 30-06 I put in an Hunters EDGE. I brought it along two years ago when we were headed to pack my brothers elk since I still had a tag. Well, low and behold I loved the package which weighed around 8lbs or a shade under. I ended up taking a small bull that same evening. Ended up costing me money since then I thought my Mashburn was too heavy and had it rebuilt to match that 06.... I can make alot of stuff make sense in my head
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I don’t doubt the published velocity claims, but how many 7-08’s have a 24” test barrel? Just about no factory 7-08 rifles with 24" barrels. So get real and post real-world data from 22" barrels. 22.5” barrel. 47.5 grains Big Game R-P brass Fed GM210M 140 Accubond 2,890 fps. I might have to give this a try… No experience, but I would bet that would work just fine at moderate range. My money is on Pharmeller! Just messing with you. That load, 225 yards. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/yNBPpJWG/50657-B62-51-A5-4-FC0-BB9-E-E5-F84-DA478-A1.jpg) One shot. 90 foot recovery. Yeah, it works. P
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I have a good friend who grew up elk hunting here in MT. He started with the 7-08. In the hands of himself, his sister and a couple cousins, the 7-08 accounted for nearly 20 elk. I asked him what he currently is using - answer, "300 ultra Mag." Next I asked him if he or any of his family ever had any problem with the 7-08 on elk - answer, "no."
I looked over at his jacked-up monster truck and absorbed this reality... I think this partially fits me. I have alot of rifles and take them all elk hunting cause I want to, not because I think most any of them will sweep elk off their feet. I like rifles and cartridges and trying different things. I have ran a 270 up to a 375 Improved. I know there hasn't been an elk I have personally killed or been in on the hunting of the 270 Winchester wouldn't have worked fine, with all of the other disclaimers about using a decent bullet and knowing the trajectory, etc. I will say in my jaded way that I like how well the 338 Win with 210 Swifts and the 7 Mashburn with 175 Bitterroots has worked on a handful of elk a piece. They didn't do backflips or nothing like that but they also didn't wander anywhere except for one I shot on the move with the Mashburn. I think his momentum carried him the 30 yards or so it took to nosedive. So yeah, I might just have to load up my little 7-08 with the 132/140 Bitterroots I have and see if I can find a mangy old elk with it Beretzs, I've done the exact same thing as I enjoy rifles (or did). When I moved here to Montana I had read enough to know elk were armor-plated, so I started with a 22" bbl'd 338 WM loaded w/210 Partitions. It worked admirably on several bulls, but I noticed my friends who grew up here typically used something like a 270 or 30-06. I started going backwards in cartridges, using the 30-06, and when it appeared in the early 2000's, the 300 WSM. No surprise, they killed elk just fine. Then I went in reverse even more to the 270, and my favorite, the 308 Win. I also used the 7-08 on one bull. Of course, what I "discovered" was the right bullet in the right place does the job, and as I got older (now 60) I found I enjoyed less recoil. Or maybe I never liked recoil all that much and just finally admitted it to myself. Probably a mixture of both If anyone asks me what the "best" elk rifle is, I tell them a 22" bbl'd 338 WM loaded with 210 Partitions. Problem is I don't want to carry or shoot the "best" elk rifle, so I'm entirely happy with a lightweight 308 Win (or 270, 7-08, 6.5 CM, etc.). For sure, my long time partner is 75 this year. I think he carried an old PF M70 300 Win from just after he returned home from Vietnam. It's a heavy package all set up but he's carried it miles and miles in elk country. One year while hunting in AZ when we were tracking elk I thought to myself, what a good gift for the old man would be a light gun. His wife and I conspired and got him a Kimber 280 Ackley. In the past few years he has accounted for a decent number of elk. He loves the weight and says the 280 with the 160 AB doesn't induce the reaction his 300 did but all of his elk have been easily recovered. So I think that is a good example of what you're gradually going towards and myself down the line as well. I had a similar experience. I have a P64 Featherweight 30-06 I put in an Hunters EDGE. I brought it along two years ago when we were headed to pack my brothers elk since I still had a tag. Well, low and behold I loved the package which weighed around 8lbs or a shade under. I ended up taking a small bull that same evening. Ended up costing me money since then I thought my Mashburn was too heavy and had it rebuilt to match that 06.... I can make alot of stuff make sense in my head You guys always make sense for the most part. My "elk" rifle is my 338wm, but we all know just about any damn rifle/cartridge will work if you use the right bullet and put it in the right spot. I still kind of shake my head at guys when they say they need a 300 RUM to cleanly take and elk. In the real world, it doesn't take that to kill an elk. I used a 7mm08 a few months ago on a bull and it handled the situation very well. Partnered with a 140gr TTSX and everything went as planned. Hell, I could have killed that bull with a 22-250 loaded with the right bullet..
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I might have to give this a try…
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Wonder if the 150 ABLR would have better ballistics at 500 than the 140 Accubond, even though MV would be 100 fps slower (or more). I believe they would with one caveat. First you have to find out if you rifle will shoot them well regarding accuracy. Not the 7-08 but I load three 7x57s using 7-08 data. Rifles have modern action; a Winchester M70 Featherweight that has been dead nuts accurate with almost everything I've run through it, a Ruger #1A and a custom built on a commercial FN Mauser action.FEWIW, the FN was original barreled to the .270 Win. None of these rifles have given decent accuracy with the 150 gr. ABLR. I've also tried it in a custom .280 Remington with the same dismal results. The M70 and Ruger give excellent accuracy and velocity around 2850 FPS average with the 150 gr. Nosler Partition so I have that load to fall back on. I haven't given up on the ABLR yet but about all I have left to try is use the most accurate load and play with the seating depth. Not too sure on how the ABLR will work on elk based in the comments of several guides I've hunted elk with. Seem to be a common opinion that out to about 150-200 yards they are a bit fragile. They're probably thinking someone shooting a magnum of some kind but it might be something to consider. I'll probably do a test on a bundles of wet and dry magazines, one dry and one as waterlogged as I cam make it. Might even do the same with some ABs if I can ever find some. Paul B.
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51.5 gr Big Game with 120 BT got me 3126. Kinda snappy but not over pressure.
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120 BTs kill elk no problem, vitals or shoulders. Mine run 3080.
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I get 3400 with 168s in my 7-08 with 19" barrel
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I get 3400 with 168s in my 7-08 with 19" barrel Sure, but it's hell on scopes.
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I get 3400 with 168s in my 7-08 with 19" barrel Sure, but it's hell on scopes. That's the barrel fragment velocity.
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I am using with a 150gr ELD-X and it is a solid selection for elk
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I am using with a 150gr ELD-X and it is a solid selection for elk No way.
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![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Bucks/i-SfH8rGF/0/e5e2e2be/XL/IMG_9880-XL.jpg) 120 BT's work. It'd be much easier to list the 7mm bullets I wouldn't want to use for elk than list all of the ones that work well.
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Bullets over brass.......they say over on ExpertNation.com. A 7mm bullet does just fine, just so long as it ain't no VLD.  What are your thoughts on a 7mm-08 with 140 gr Accubonds at 2960 fps and an elk out at 500yds. .
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I've got a 20" 7mm-08. I was thinking about trying 140 NAB or NPT, 139 LRX, or 150/162 ELDX.
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I've got a 20" 7mm-08. I was thinking about trying 140 NAB or NPT, 139 LRX, or 150/162 ELDX. 140 NAB/PT, whichever shoots better, or 150 ELDX, I have elk experience with all three from the Mighty -08. I’d think the 162 would be too slow, especially out of a 20” barrel. I’ve kilt a couple or three elk with the 162, but out of a 7mm Rem Mag. It’s my go-to bullet for that cartridge. P
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I get well over 2700 fps with the 162 out of my 22” 7-08.... wouldn’t have thunk it, but she does it. Short bearing surface? I used 150 NPT’s from a 20” 7-08 Model 7 for a half-dozen deer, because that was a finicky rifle and it at least “liked” the 150’s. It certainly went right through them! Just based what I saw, I would expect it to penetrate well in elk while not being a particularly “stunning” load if that makes sense. I’ve also killed deer with 150 NBT’s and 140 NAB’s from 7-08. Lots of ways to go with the Mighty 7-08. It’s in that velocity window where it hard to go too wrong. If I were taking my (22”) 7-08 elk hunting tomorrow I’d zero it with 162’s but have an Accubond or Partition or a mono in the spout in case one jumped up in front of me.
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There’s lots of good bullets pick one and go with it. You don’t want to be hunting with a mag full of different weights and brands of bullets trying to remember which shoots to where. IMHO
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22.5” barrel.
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R-P brass
Fed GM210M
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2,890 fps.
I might have to give this a try… Well, to be fair it was out of one of Oregonmuley’s original rifles….
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22.5” barrel.
47.5 grains Big Game
R-P brass
Fed GM210M
140 Accubond
2,890 fps.
I might have to give this a try… Well, to be fair it was out of one of Oregonmuley’s original rifles…. That’s funny.
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Yeah, he might not think so.. lol
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Yeah, he might not think so.. lol Ask him where he got the load.
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Yeah, he might not think so.. lol Ask him where he got the load. The allmighty Pharmy?
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And almighty makes me nervous.
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What are your thoughts on a 7mm-08 with 140 gr Accubonds at 2960 fps and an elk out at 500yds. . Cut the distance back to 300 yds and it will work wonders.
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Yeah, he might not think so.. lol Ask him where he got the load. He didn’t, he shoots factory ammo…. However, I likely got the load here at the Campfire…
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I get well over 2700 fps with the 162 out of my 22” 7-08.... wouldn’t have thunk it, but she does it. Short bearing surface?
No, just an overly hot load. 7-08 = the most hot-rodded round on the campfire.
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Interesting thread. Lots of elk get killed by 7mm bullets put in the right place. I know a dedicated elk hunter very experienced long range shooter who killed one over 700 yards with his 7mmSTW in no wind conditions. That would be similar to the 7-08 at 500. Way out at the edge of effective range but the STW still had about 1500 ft lbs at 700.
In my opinion there are much better 500 yard elk guns than a 7-08 and you’d be better off using one of them if long range is your plan. Inside 300 with a decent bullet & shot selection no problem all day every day.
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Congratulations to your wife nice shooting & excellent table fare. Nothing magical or mythical about 1500 foot lbs. We could see thousands of photos taken with an arrow as the killer & plenty of elk killed by 30-30s were under 1500. Not sure of your load but most 7-08 loads carry 1500 out to just shy of 300 yards so your bride can certainly shoot.
Legal limits in Colorado are 1,000 ft lbs at 100 yards, I understand some desire to shoot big animal with a small gun but 7-08 is double the minimum 300 seems a reasonable limit with ideal conditions extending it a little. I have a new granddaughter & 7-08 is likely her first elk rife. The 3 grandsons will all start with downloaded 30-06’s.
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Greg, were those with the 150 scenar?
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Congratulations to your wife nice shooting & excellent table fare. Nothing magical or mythical about 1500 foot lbs. We could see thousands of photos taken with an arrow as the killer & plenty of elk killed by 30-30s were under 1500. Not sure of your load but most 7-08 loads carry 1500 out to just shy of 300 yards so your bride can certainly shoot.
Legal limits in Colorado are 1,000 ft lbs at 100 yards, I understand some desire to shoot big animal with a small gun but 7-08 is double the minimum 300 seems a reasonable limit with ideal conditions extending it a little. I have a new granddaughter & 7-08 is likely her first elk rife. The 3 grandsons will all start with downloaded 30-06’s. 150 eldx carries 1500 ft/lbs a bit past 400 yards. Kilt this one fully dead at 409 yards. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/J7JDKdry/ED554-C95-5-DCC-4058-BD6-D-E6-E235-DC37-F2.jpg) P
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I get well over 2700 fps with the 162 out of my 22” 7-08.... wouldn’t have thunk it, but she does it. Short bearing surface?
No, just an overly hot load. 7-08 = the most hot-rodded round on the campfire. Don’t think so, Brad. Try it some time. Set up a chrono and do a runup with H4350. You might be surprised.
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I get well over 2700 fps with the 162 out of my 22” 7-08.... wouldn’t have thunk it, but she does it. Short bearing surface?
No, just an overly hot load. 7-08 = the most hot-rodded round on the campfire. Don’t think so, Brad. Try it some time. Set up a chrono and do a runup with H4350. You might be surprised. JeffO I thought you joined the army to fly over to the Ukraine to fight Putin? are you really a chicken schit coward?
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inside of 2-300 yds I bet a 120gn nosler BT at 2950 fps snuck behind a rib wouldnt do an elk any favors.
Then again, maybe 900 yard shot wouldnt be recommended.
Anyone use a 120BT on elk?
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inside of 2-300 yds I bet a 120gn nosler BT at 2950 fps snuck behind a rib wouldnt do an elk any favors.
Then again, maybe 900 yard shot wouldnt be recommended.
Anyone use a 120BT on elk? Yes, and you can just shoot them in the. Shoulder. Kent
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I'm looking to build a sub 400 yd load for elk with sub 100 yds often encountered where i hunt. I've got a Howa Alpine 7mm08 20" bbl. Which would you guys go with?
150 or 162 eldx/m?
140 or 160 nab?
140 or 150 npt?
139 or 145 lrx?
I guess I'm worried about velocity from such a short barrel.
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There isn’t a bullet you listed I’d worry too much about.
Me, if I had the time and bullets I’d try the 139 LRX and the 162. Develop your two best and work it out. Your speeds with the 162 shouldnt make it misbehave.
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I get well over 2700 fps with the 162 out of my 22” 7-08.... wouldn’t have thunk it, but she does it. Short bearing surface?
No, just an overly hot load. 7-08 = the most hot-rodded round on the campfire. Don’t think so, Brad. Try it some time. Set up a chrono and do a runup with H4350. You might be surprised. Jeff, I have - with 3 different 22" 7-08's going back over 23 years. H4350 has always been my first stop with any 7-08. No way with H4350 I could get 2,700 fps with a 160/62 safely, let alone "well over 2,700 fps." And you can't get there within SAAMI pressures either. Undoubtedly there is some wunderpowder that will do it, but H4350 absolutely won't do it safely in a 22" barrel. But we all have our "vital lies"...
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Highest I've been with 160's and H4350 is 2650fps from a 22" barrel.
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Highest I've been with 160's and H4350 is 2650fps from a 22" barrel. Agreed, that’s my experience and I’d put that at the absolute upper end.
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Highest I've been with 160's and H4350 is 2650fps from a 22" barrel. Agreed, that’s my experience and I’d put that at the absolute upper end. Not to discount what you’re saying but bearing surface of certain bullets does make a difference. Pretty decent difference from the 162 ELD than a 160 AB or Partition. I do agree hot rodding is a thing but some bullets make less PSI than others.
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I'm looking to build a sub 400 yd load for elk with sub 100 yds often encountered where i hunt. I've got a Howa Alpine 7mm08 20" bbl. Which would you guys go with?
150 or 162 eldx/m?
140 or 160 nab?
140 or 150 npt?
139 or 145 lrx?
I guess I'm worried about velocity from such a short barrel.
140 TTSX would work well within those parameters too.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Highest I've been with 160's and H4350 is 2650fps from a 22" barrel. Agreed, that’s my experience and I’d put that at the absolute upper end. Not to discount what you’re saying but bearing surface of certain bullets does make a difference. Pretty decent difference from the 162 ELD than a 160 AB or Partition. I do agree hot rodding is a thing but some bullets make less PSI than others. I agree and after seeing first hand how some eld-×'s worked at closer range, I'll never find out how they shoot.
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I'm looking to build a sub 400 yd load for elk with sub 100 yds often encountered where i hunt. I've got a Howa Alpine 7mm08 20" bbl. Which would you guys go with?
150 or 162 eldx/m?
140 or 160 nab?
140 or 150 npt?
139 or 145 lrx?
I guess I'm worried about velocity from such a short barrel.
Personally I've never used anything heavier than 140gr, that includes 7x57/7 mag/7 wby mag/708. The closest bullet to your list my 708 has killed elk is a tsx 140gr, so I'd go with the lrx, next I'd try would be the 140 accubond. I like 140s to run about 2800, h4350 will likely get you there, staball 6.5 will for sure. Kent
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Thanks Kent. I've got a bunch of H4350. Will keep an eye out for some staball. Have heard good things about that powder.
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I'm looking to build a sub 400 yd load for elk with sub 100 yds often encountered where i hunt. I've got a Howa Alpine 7mm08 20" bbl. Which would you guys go with?
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I guess I'm worried about velocity from such a short barrel.
ES, I have the same Alpine rig and loaded up H4350 and 140 grain E-Tips as I had a couple hundred on hand.
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OG, have you had a chance to harvest with that load yet?
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Not yet. The Alpine rig will be going to NB this fall for moose, bear and deer, God willing.
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