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Originally Posted by Ringman
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Crappy Hamper is saved!

6/17/20 – HC survives being poisoned by his "girlfriend".
"Good news is that it had a happy ending because I survived. I came within an inch of my life as organ failure set in. I'm grateful that God miraculously brought a vision of charcoal to my mind and where to find it. Then he gave me enough strength to drag myself off my back, get to it and eat it before dying. It absorbed the poison she put in the food and I recovered."


Personally, I'm glad he survived.

I'm glad that you survived the challenges and perils that you've faced too.
Unlike the NVs, you believe that God answers prayer.

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Creation and the flood of the bible are proved false by evidence that verifies explanation otherwise. If you choose to not accept these parts of the bible then that's a good sign of start of rational thought. Fact remains that you still can't prove existance of a god.


Your info about proving the flood is dated. The more currant info seems to indicate the layers were laid down in quick succession. Consider the evidence provided by Mt. St. Hellens. The folded rock formations around the world. The volcanic action studied in the Grand Canyon.


Nope, it never happened. There's evidence of populations of people living elsewhere around the world before and after the time of the alledged flood event. Geological evidence dismisses a global flood event.

The people who wrote the bible didn't know that so got caught out on that lie too. The biblical tale of creation is also fiction.


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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As determined by God or by some self-righteous man?


Not a real member - just an ordinary guy who appreciates being able to hang around and say something once in awhile.

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Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Crappy Hamper is saved!

6/17/20 – HC survives being poisoned by his "girlfriend".
"Good news is that it had a happy ending because I survived. I came within an inch of my life as organ failure set in. I'm grateful that God miraculously brought a vision of charcoal to my mind and where to find it. Then he gave me enough strength to drag myself off my back, get to it and eat it before dying. It absorbed the poison she put in the food and I recovered."


Personally, I'm glad he survived.

I'm glad that you survived the challenges and perils that you've faced too.
Unlike the NVs, you believe that God answers prayer.



Your stories come accross as contrived.....essentially, "look what happened to me, it's a miracle of god"

You probably mean well, but bending the truth to achieve an aim often just comes back to bite the storyteller.

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I do believe that the blood of Jesus, shed on the cross, provides the sole basis for the forgiveness of sin. And I do believe that God freely offers salvation to anyone who places their faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus as sufficient payment for their sin.


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I do believe that the blood of Jesus, shed on the cross, provides the sole basis for the forgiveness of sin. And I do believe that God freely offers salvation to anyone who places their faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus as sufficient payment for their sin.


Why faith? Why are we expected to believe what is written in old scrolls?

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Saved from what?
From spending eternity…and not just after death, but eternity including right now and from now on…separated from God. Again, this is my belief.


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Your info about proving the flood is dated. The more currant info seems to indicate the layers were laid down in quick succession. Consider the evidence provided by Mt. St. Hellens. The folded rock formations around the world. The volcanic action studied in the Grand Canyon.


That is utter horse chit and no actual scientific study shows any such thing. You may find some evangelical spewing some such psuedo science on places like youtube but it's laughable to consider those idiots as a credible source of information.

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If it's any consolation, at least believers will likely not be able to experience the dissapointment of their faith in the final moments of consciousness as they die.


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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I do believe that the blood of Jesus, shed on the cross, provides the sole basis for the forgiveness of sin. And I do believe that God freely offers salvation to anyone who places their faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus as sufficient payment for their sin.


Why faith? Why are we expected to believe what is written in old scrolls?



Exactly. If there is a god that wants us to believe and follow certain things then why not just appear in undeniable fashion now to the whole world and tell us straight up. Why all this ancient mystery bullchit? Why must I trust the word of 2000 year old goat herders who believed in all manner of superstious crap and thought the earth was flat. People who were ignorant of and wrong about most things concerning the nature of the earth and the universe. If this is the best plan god can come up with to spread the truth of his word then we must have been assigned a seriously incompetent god.

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If the one true God being banned from a nation is good I wonder when we'll start seeing the fruits of it improving our society? I always see a hint of that desire in any thread that comes up on here concerning God and the Bible. So if you have a desire to see even more of throwing God out of our nation please explain to me when we'll start seeing the good in this.


So 9 hours later and no takers on my question? I don't want to argue, I just want the facts so please explain them to me.



How many cultures and societies have believed in gods, a creator, supernatural entities, etc, yet were violent? History has many examples.


I asked the question for the proof of taking God out of our country, the USA. So show me the proof it's working. I'm not interested in other places and times. Just here and now. This also goes beyond violence too. More like a moral decay which covers allot. Proof, not questions to me, that's what I want.


The state of a nation, its laws and values, depends on far, far more than just people believing in God.


John Adams and others in his day differ with that statement.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
You still have failed to show evidence that a Godless nation is a good thing.


You only need to look at history to see that belief in God or gods is not an indicator of peace and harmony. Human behaviour is driven by more than just a belief in God. I mentioned the dark ages and the power of the church.


John Adams is part of my nations history. A huge part. To ignore his words is exactly why things are as they are too. Peace and harmony cannot exist as long as there is good and evil. There will always be division. There has to be. Why would someone like myself agree to join myself with someone else that believes abortion is okay? Or that socialism is a decent form of government. Both of those concepts are evil. They are to be opposed and fought against. But back to my original question as far as presenting me with facts that a nation that is Godless is a good nation. I am looking for specific examples, if you have any. Not general references to the past.

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Originally Posted by Willto
If there is a god that wants us to believe and follow certain things then why not just appear in undeniable fashion now to the whole world and tell us straight up. Why all this ancient mystery bullchit?
I believe that He clearly did exactly that just a little over 2,000 years ago. And it wasn’t “ancient mystery bullchit” then. No mystery about seeing things with one’s own eyes, as those eyewitness did, including those eyewitnesses who were hostile towards Him and remained hostile towards Him even after He appeared in undeniable fashion and told them straight up.
Originally Posted by Willto
Why must I trust the word of 2000 year old goat herders who believed in all manner of superstious crap and thought the earth was flat. People who were ignorant of and wrong about most things concerning the nature of the earth and the universe.
You don’t have to. You can choose to believe whatever you choose to believe. You’ve made your beliefs regarding these things pretty clear. As have others. Believers and non-believers both.
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If this is the best plan god can come up with to spread the truth of his word then we must have been assigned a seriously incompetent god.
So the Creator of the universe didn’t go about things the way you think He should have…? Got it. Anyway, that’s what you’ve chosen to believe, and it’s fine by me. Your beliefs are yours, have at it.


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Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Crappy Hamper is saved!

6/17/20 – HC survives being poisoned by his "girlfriend".
"Good news is that it had a happy ending because I survived. I came within an inch of my life as organ failure set in. I'm grateful that God miraculously brought a vision of charcoal to my mind and where to find it. Then he gave me enough strength to drag myself off my back, get to it and eat it before dying. It absorbed the poison she put in the food and I recovered."


Personally, I'm glad he survived.

I'm glad that you survived the challenges and perils that you've faced too.
Unlike the NVs, you believe that God answers prayer.



Your stories come accross as contrived.....essentially, "look what happened to me, it's a miracle of god"

You probably mean well, but bending the truth to achieve an aim often just comes back to bite the storyteller.

Coming from an A-theist that wastes our time on my threads trying to convince everyone that the Bible and God of the Bible are contrived, it's no wonder you think that.
You reject the idea that miracles happen. That speaks for itself.
I speak for myself and yes miracles happen.

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Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Crappy Hamper is saved!

6/17/20 – HC survives being poisoned by his "girlfriend".
"Good news is that it had a happy ending because I survived. I came within an inch of my life as organ failure set in. I'm grateful that God miraculously brought a vision of charcoal to my mind and where to find it. Then he gave me enough strength to drag myself off my back, get to it and eat it before dying. It absorbed the poison she put in the food and I recovered."


Personally, I'm glad he survived.

I'm glad that you survived the challenges and perils that you've faced too.
Unlike the NVs, you believe that God answers prayer.



Your stories come accross as contrived.....essentially, "look what happened to me, it's a miracle of god"

You probably mean well, but bending the truth to achieve an aim often just comes back to bite the storyteller.

Coming from an A-theist that wastes our time on my threads trying to convince everyone that the Bible and God of the Bible are contrived, it's no wonder you think that.
You reject the idea that miracles happen. That speaks for itself.
I speak for myself and yes miracles happen.
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Saved from what?

Beanman,

Saved from sin and the wages of sin, which is death in hell.
It's an uncomfortable subject, but I would be unloving if I avoided it.

Romans 6:23
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Revelation 20:14, 21:8
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

That said, how many people would someone caught killing, have kill to be considered a murderer? ...Or any other crime for that matter?

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Miracles happen to the superstitious, otherwise they are considered low probability events.


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Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by Happy_Camper

I'm glad that you survived the challenges and perils that you've faced too.
Unlike the NVs, you believe that God answers prayer.


Happy's Prayers

6/13/20 – (HC prays for sockets)
“I had a bunch of rachets, extra too, but was missing some sockets that had cracked and a set similar to what you are asking about with sizes that I didn't have surprisingly. Now I'm not saying this to sell you mine because I need these. I just want to encourage and for you to get what you're looking for.

I asked the Lord specifically as if He were in my shop with me one day for the socket set and mini driver that I needed once in a while for mowers, etc.
Guess what Fireball?
Next thing I know, I'm driving down the road and at the busy intersection near a sport arena. I see something that caught my attention. After pulling into the parking lot, I looked down and saw a bunch of sockets strewn all over the road and a box off in the lot. There were no trucks around or jobs or I would have asked if they lost their socket set and helped pick them up.
I picked them up and put them in the insets of the kit. I was surprised to see that they were all there except for maybe one that I already had a duplicate of!!!”

6/25/20 – (God provides HC with Starbucks)
"The BEST Starbucks ever was not served at the coffee shop.
It was an answer to prayer. A couple months ago.
Not prayer to some impersonal universe or cosmic consciousness, no mantra chanting meditation either....Just asked my Father in the name of His Son, my best Friend.
Went to Kroger's and what did I see on shelf by itself?
A bunch of bags of Starbucks Whole beans......at $2 BUCKS PER BAG! Fresh, not outdated. No issues. Just cheaper than wholesale. Coincidence? I'm sure some atheist will say so."

7/1/20 – (The Lord provides a bat.)
"I've taught wildlife education and I'm also against harmful chemicals.
I taught a class on environmental factors of bats and human interaction. The Lord provided a live bat several days prior to my lectures..... miraculously."

11/16/20 - (God provides HC with kitchen knives)
“You won't believe this, but its true.
I broke an old pairing knife at the thin part of the tang and talked to my Father about it. I wanted something of better quality that sharpens and keeps an edge better. I couldn't find any quality kitchen knives in town and just wanted a pairing knife.
Later that day, I walked to the grocery store.
On the way there, what did I see on the side of the road by itself?
It was something I never would have noticed other than some litter someone threw out their window.
It was a black fabric roll. I opened it and what did my Father give me in a most unusual surprise......FREE but not cheap???
A full set of Hinkle French Chef knives and a steel !!!!!!!
When I got, home, I cleaned them and noticed that they were brand new! God is good!”


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Reprobates

Crappy, how does one become deputized to place people on a "reprobate" list?
Do you have a special agent card from the Holy Trinity? If so I'll need to see it and I'll need you to perform at least 3 miracles to prove it's legit.
I know I'm on your list so I'm just wondering if you're really juiced with the big guys or if St. Peter and I are just going to have a laugh at your expense at the Pearly Gates.
You know, like most here do now.

P.S.
I think your a poser.


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Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Crappy Hamper is saved!

6/17/20 – HC survives being poisoned by his "girlfriend".
"Good news is that it had a happy ending because I survived. I came within an inch of my life as organ failure set in. I'm grateful that God miraculously brought a vision of charcoal to my mind and where to find it. Then he gave me enough strength to drag myself off my back, get to it and eat it before dying. It absorbed the poison she put in the food and I recovered."


Personally, I'm glad he survived.

I'm glad that you survived the challenges and perils that you've faced too.
Unlike the NVs, you believe that God answers prayer.



Your stories come accross as contrived.....essentially, "look what happened to me, it's a miracle of god"

You probably mean well, but bending the truth to achieve an aim often just comes back to bite the storyteller.

Coming from an A-theist that wastes our time on my threads trying to convince everyone that the Bible and God of the Bible are contrived, it's no wonder you think that.
You reject the idea that miracles happen. That speaks for itself.
I speak for myself and yes miracles happen.



It's a discussion forum where all members can express their views. Nobody is wasting your time. You can either choose to respond or not...you are not being forced to 'waste your time,"

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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Nope, it never happened. There's evidence of populations of people living elsewhere around the world before and after the time of the alledged flood event. Geological evidence dismisses a global flood event.

The people who wrote the bible didn't know that so got caught out on that lie too. The biblical tale of creation is also fiction.
Didn't the Black Sea suddenly flood many 1000s of years ago at the end of the last ice age when the ocean broke over the barrier and put hundreds of feet of water over inhabited land. The Hebrew bible is not the only ancient account of a catastrophic flood. There are a lot of the bible accounts that have been found to have some basis in the evidence uncovered by archeologists such as the total destruction of Jericho.


Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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