One of our old long horn cows died, yesterday this morning i set up just before day light, at 521 yards from her, when it got light enough to see there was a coyote on the other side her of having breakfast, i waited till i could see good and when he popped his head up i drilled him, about 1/2 hour later in came a female, she gave me a good shot so i drilled her, used a new rifle i sited in yesterday, and doped to 700 yards, 6mm creed, 103 eld-x, about like shooting a .243 A.I. fun way to start the day. Rio7
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For some reason, coyotes rarely eat on dead cattle here, or at least large ones. Dead calves and deer are all gobbled up by them overnight, but I've seen cows lay there all winter and never be touched, yet there was coyote tracks all around them. I can't tell you how many dead cows I set up and hunted over until I figured out it was not going to happen.
I've often wondered if their hide was too tough for a coyote to tear through and get to the good parts.
I killed an even dozen off a dead horse the year I got my 17 Hornet. But I split him open to allow some gut to fall out and then drug him behind the tractor for a few miles to lay a scent trail. Have another cripple that needs put down, and I should probably shoot him and do the same. Had a vet put down my kids pony one year and the coyotes wouldn't touch it. I reckon the drug made him smell/taste funny......
For some reason, coyotes rarely eat on dead cattle here, or at least large ones. Dead calves and deer are all gobbled up by them overnight, but I've seen cows lay there all winter and never be touched, yet there was coyote tracks all around them. I can't tell you how many dead cows I set up and hunted over until I figured out it was not going to happen.
I've often wondered if their hide was too tough for a coyote to tear through and get to the good parts.
Depends what the cow died from. I think the coyote can sense those that die from disease.
A bud had a few cattle die one fall from anaplasmosis. Crows were the only thing that would touch those cattle. Possums wouldn't even fugg w em.
The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!
I really like the 6mm Creed. I have a 243AI but don't use it much as it has a 10 twist (when I built it 100 gr were about as heavy as anyone was making). This makes me want to get my 6mm CM out and play with it some more.
I may not be smart but I can lift heavy objects
I have a shotgun so I have no need for a 30-06.....
pullit, My .243 A.I. is a 1x8 so it's about like shooting the 6mm Creed, or the other way around, they both shoot the same bullets, i think the .243 is a little faster but haven't checked yet. Rio7
I used to coyote hunt on a cattle farm that was literally covered up with them. One winter an old bull died, and I figured I'd kill a pile of coyotes hunting over the carcass. Nothing touched it.............not buzzards, nor possums, nor coyotes. It just lay there and dried up to a pile of skin and bones. You could see where the coyotes did drag off a few bones eventually, but I thought maybe the hide was so tough that nothing to tear their way through it in order to get to the meat.
I've seen the same thing on several other cattle farms I've hunted, including my own. They just don't seem to go after the older animals like they do a smaller one. There are several deer hit my cars every year out on the highway next to my driveway, as it's a major deer crossing there. I'll always drag the deer off the road, and put them in a back field with the idea to hunt over them. I've found that they don't last over a couple of days, until there's nothing left. I guess venison tastes better than beef.
I used to coyote hunt on a cattle farm that was literally covered up with them. One winter an old bull died, and I figured I'd kill a pile of coyotes hunting over the carcass. Nothing touched it.............not buzzards, nor possums, nor coyotes. It just lay there and dried up to a pile of skin and bones. You could see where the coyotes did drag off a few bones eventually, but I thought maybe the hide was so tough that nothing to tear their way through it in order to get to the meat.
I've seen the same thing on several other cattle farms I've hunted, including my own. They just don't seem to go after the older animals like they do a smaller one. There are several deer hit my cars every year out on the highway next to my driveway, as it's a major deer crossing there. I'll always drag the deer off the road, and put them in a back field with the idea to hunt over them. I've found that they don't last over a couple of days, until there's nothing left. I guess venison tastes better than beef.
My curiosity is killing me... to test your theory did you ever try to go over and cut the dead cow open so there was access to at least the internal organs? It seems those are the first things they take on deer and elk... once accessed, they might hang around for a free meal...
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I used to coyote hunt on a cattle farm that was literally covered up with them. One winter an old bull died, and I figured I'd kill a pile of coyotes hunting over the carcass. Nothing touched it.............not buzzards, nor possums, nor coyotes. It just lay there and dried up to a pile of skin and bones. You could see where the coyotes did drag off a few bones eventually, but I thought maybe the hide was so tough that nothing to tear their way through it in order to get to the meat.
I've seen the same thing on several other cattle farms I've hunted, including my own. They just don't seem to go after the older animals like they do a smaller one. There are several deer hit my cars every year out on the highway next to my driveway, as it's a major deer crossing there. I'll always drag the deer off the road, and put them in a back field with the idea to hunt over them. I've found that they don't last over a couple of days, until there's nothing left. I guess venison tastes better than beef.
My curiosity is killing me... to test your theory did you ever try to go over and cut the dead cow open so there was access to at least the internal organs? It seems those are the first things they take on deer and elk... once accessed, they might hang around for a free meal...
I did not cut any open, really never crossed my mind to do so. I would have thought that they could have gone in through the rectum and opened the animal up there. To be specific.......I lost a large cow to grass tetany a few years ago. That's a condition that occurs in early spring when the grass begins to green up, and cows consume too much of it, and it can kill them. The solution is to feed a high magnesium mineral, with the magnesium preventing the poisoning from happening. Anyway, I drug her off to a remote area of the farm, in a place where I've killed many coyotes over the years. She lay there and nothing touched her for months. I'd see coyote tracks passing right by the carcass, yet they never attempted to eat of off it. That cow died with no drugs in her system, so that was not the reason for nothing eating it. I just thought maybe that the hide was too tough to chew on.
Sounds like you've got yourself a nice temporary setup RIO7. So what is your current total off of this one critter so far?
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Part of me wishes I had that many opportunities here to shoot that many coyotes, but the other part is glad that we don't have that many coyotes. Coyote numbers here are down compared to what they once were.
BigSky, 7 so far, but i am running out of cow,may get 1 or 2 more we will see. Rio7
That's an excellent return on your time investment. I'm jealous. Well done.
_________________________________________________________________________ “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
Model 70 fan, We picked up what was left of the cow yesterday, and took it to the dump, before all the bones get scattered in the hay field and poke holes in tractor tires, this last Coyote, was just crossing the hay field about 200 yrds from the road. doom on him. Rio7
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
Dude270, The 6 creed shoots good, very accurate i am shooting factory 103 gr. eld-x, as i got two10 box cases of it with the rifle when i traded for it. Compared to my .243 A.I. i think it's slower, but i shoot 105 gr. Scenar over H4350,in my .243 A.I. at 3050 fps, haven't shot anything but predators with it so far, it's killing the hell out of them, i like the rifle a lot. Rio7
Magnum Bob, I have a FLIR thermal, mounted on a AR-15, suppressed, use it mostly to shoot pigs, i have shot a few predators with it at night, but to be honest, when supper time comes and it gets dark i have enjoyed all the day i can stand, Rio7
Coon, died from road rage, he was in my road this morning,
Coyote crossed the road out a way's, i kept going for about 1/4 mile and pulled into the brush, walk back a little way, and sat down by a fence post, for about 10-15 drinking coffee and enjoying the sunrise, started squalling like a Jackrabbit getting his balls crushed,here come mister Coyote, bang flop, real old coyote almost no teeth. Rio7
Part of me wishes I had that many opportunities here to shoot that many coyotes, but the other part is glad that we don't have that many coyotes. Coyote numbers here are down compared to what they once were.
Numbers aren’t down North of you, James Jr. I’ve had more pictures on trail cameras this year than ever before. I had four in one food plot Monday! I live up close to the Ohio river. I’m recovering from surgery or I’d be out there after them.
If we live long enough, we all have regrets. But the ones that nag at us the most are the ones in which we know we had a choice.
Traffic is getting bad around here, had a road rage fight with a coon this morning coon lost, Coyote was eating on a road kill pig one of the ranch hands hit with his pickup last night, greedy bitch was as full as a tick, but didn't look up when i saw her this morning, big mistake. Rio7
Part of me wishes I had that many opportunities here to shoot that many coyotes, but the other part is glad that we don't have that many coyotes. Coyote numbers here are down compared to what they once were.
Numbers aren’t down North of you, James Jr. I’ve had more pictures on trail cameras this year than ever before. I had four in one food plot Monday! I live up close to the Ohio river. I’m recovering from surgery or I’d be out there after them.
I think it all depends on where you are. The local Mennonites around me hunt and trap them religiously, especially at night, and have put a dent in the numbers. Also, the ones they don't kill become educated, and are almost impossible to call in. I used to see coyotes on a regular basis while out doing farm work, and have killed a bunch of them that way, but that's just not the case anymore. If you get outside of the Mennonite farms, you can can still find them, and in pretty good numbers too.
Rio. I built a 6.8 SPC II AR a few years back that I used on deer and Yotes, they don’t shoot as flat as a 223 but they anchor them more like a 6mm. I’ve always liked 243 like terminal performance on yotes.
Spotshooter, At one time or other i have used just about every chambering from .204 to 300 WBY rifle to kill Coyotes, but I have never found any Chambering that worked better than a fast twist .243 or .243 A.I. Rio7
Spotshooter, At one time or other i have used just about every chambering from .204 to 300 WBY rifle to kill Coyotes, but I have never found any Chambering that worked better than a fast twist .243 or .243 A.I. Rio7
RIO, Been following this post and I'm kicking around the idea of an AR in 6 Creed primarily for yotes and was wondering what twist / bullet you've had good luck with in the .243.....thinking a 6 creed would basically perform the same. Great post by the way and keep up the culling! rookie
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DANNYL, Cow's been gone for a week, but i am still killing every Coyote I can get a shot at.
rookieatbest, I'm new to the 6mm Creed, and have used Hornaday 103 gr. ELD-X only so far, as i got 2 cases when i traded for the 6mm, my 6mm is torn down now waiting on new bottom metal and a box mag. mine is a 1 X 8 twist, love the rifle but hate the blind Mag. should have it up and running next week. as for a AR-6mm i don't know how that would work?? my only ARs are .223.
Shot this one this morning, Texas Heart shot, at about 80 yrds. Rio7
RIO7, how many of the coyotes do you get within a year? And how do you get them? From a treestand, out of blind at the ground, just by happenstance from the Jeep? Do you bait them?
SKane, This ranch is like a lunch bucket for predators.
Elmer Keith, I keep a log book on every thing i kill, last year i killed 332 Coyotes 63 Bobcats, Called in, or over a dead critter,, or i see them while i am traveling around the ranch checking fence, and water wells, there are 54 water wells, spread out over the ranch . Rio7
Elmer Keith, in 2000 I kept a log book, and tallied the # of Coyotes I killed, that year, Total 332 Coyotes, 63 Bobcats, I didn't count the Pigs But Should have , I try to call Coyotes and Bobcats, when ever i can, and if i find a dead critter that's not all eaten up i will set up for a little while and try to get some predators off it,i also shoot coyotes i see when i am traveling around the ranch, checking wells and fence.
This female crossed the road in front of me, this morning ran about a 100 yrds and stopped and looked back, when i barked at her, big mistake, don't know what she was into but she was full and stunk like hell, almost didn't pick her up. Got the new bottom metal and Mags, for my 6mm Creed, big improvement. Rio7
That's a great service to that property, I'm sure.
With all the Jeep and SxS miles, how do you keep the dust off your scope lenses in daily use? I don't see any BC caps or such. Seems like our "rambling rifles" stay dusty if kept handy in a machine.
JPro, Downy fabric softener, 1 drop on Bino's And Scope lens, kills the static electricity, reduces the dust to almost nothing, some guy's put shaving cream on all their glass, but Downy works for me. Rio7
JPro, Downy fabric softener, 1 drop on Bino's And Scope lens, kills the static electricity, reduces the dust to almost nothing, some guy's put shaving cream on all their glass, but Downy works for me. Rio7
Thank you. I always wonder why coyotes and other predators do exactly step into the trap although Texas is such a big and vast country. Did you bait him?
I have been hanging snares, where Coyotes are crossing fence lines threw holes they and pigs have dug under the fence, this Coyote would walk up to a hole with a snare look close and leave and go to the next hole and walk up and look to see if there was a snare, no snare he would cross under the fence, he would keep checking holes till he found a open hole, Smart old S.O.B. so i set 3 blind foot hold traps on both side of the fence at two open holes, Got Him !! Rio7
My son put the carcass of a road kill on his buddy’s property, staked it into the ground with a rope around the carcass. We have hundreds of pictures of the coyotes walking around. Two bobcats jumped on the. Opportunity and chowed on the carcass until yotes showed up and they would leave, come back and eat more. The coyotes took a month before they started eating. We surmise they didn’t like the rope around the carcass. One night picture shows a possum on the carcass and the bobcat sitting at the ass end waiting for it to finish. Even had a bald eagle fly in for a meal.
RIO7, ok. Now you may share you secret. There are just five or six of them you put into a freezer and every day you take them out of it and arrange them in different locations. .
To be seriously, on how many acres do you take that number of predators? And did you make any observations if coyotes sometimes tend to hunt in packs?
One night picture shows a possum on the carcass and the bobcat sitting at the ass end waiting for it to finish..
I've had a number of trail cam pics that showed possums with coyotes and foxes, two animals that I thought might eat a possum, but apparently they left the possum alone. I've always heard that the possum had few enemies because of it's teeth. My grandfather, who did a lot of hunting back in his day, told me that if a possum and a coon met on the same trail, that the coon would always get out of the way and leave the possum alone.
A story my Dad told me growing up during the depression.
When still at home he killed opossum, brought home cleaned it and gave it to his dog. The dog would not eat it. So he got my grandmother to parboil it and gave it to the dog again. The dog still would not eat it. Made a mental note, anything the dog won't eat he was not going to eat it either.
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“Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.” ISAIAH 41:10
Deans, Try feeding a bear to a dog, nothing i know will eat a bear but chickens -- birds and people. Rio7
That is interesting. I'll have to remember that, not that I will ever kill a bear. Not on my bucket list.
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“Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.” ISAIAH 41:10
A story my Dad told me growing up during the depression.
When still at home he killed opossum, brought home cleaned it and gave it to his dog. The dog would not eat it. So he got my grandmother to parboil it and gave it to the dog again. The dog still would not eat it. Made a mental note, anything the dog won't eat he was not going to eat it either.
Back when I was growing up in the 1950's and 60's, the local Blacks would take any possum they could get, along with rabbits and squirrels. I know because I supplied many of the.. My grandfather had hounds back in his day, and did a lot of coon and possum hunting. The coons he would sell for the hides, the possums would in a pen, and be fed straight corn for a week or two, then sold to the Blacks. I also knew a few White people who said they loved a baked possum, cooked with sweet potatoes. My daddy said that he'd seen too many possums feeding up in the belly of dead horse or cow for him to ever want to eat one. I agree.
Wow one heck of a thread! I am not sure if I killed as many Coyotes the whole of last year as are pictured in this thread. It isn't all that easy to call them in around my place north of West. Seems there are not as many as there were in past years either. In fact there even seems to be a drop in the feral hog numbers. Plenty of rabbits though.
. . . . In fact there even seems to be a drop in the feral hog numbers. Plenty of rabbits though.
One thing about it I've never walked up on a rabbit I'd shot and wanted to puke from the stench
That's a fact, I have shot some pigs that I didn't even want to put the rope on to drag to the pig disposal hole. One time I threw a set of gloves away because the pig stunk them up so bad. Couldn't have em inside the truck.
I tried yesterday to call up some coyotes. Hit the call, waited about 10 min., and called again. Looked about 300 yds down the pipeline and saw what appeared to be something with ears, looking my way. Eased the rifle up. looked thru the scope, and all I saw was a strange brown lump, where there shouldn't be anything. Scratching my head, trying to figure out what I was looking at. Finally the head came up again, and it was a doe. Just over the hill enough that I couldn't see the legs, just the back (strange brown lump). I just eased out, without spooking her, and went home.
Try again another day.
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Randy, I've been giving them hell for the last few weeks, some times it's hard to tell what your looking at in the low morning light. parked the jeep behind a bush, and walked around it and sat down in the shade this morning, tooted my call and this little female came in, popped her and she spun like a top for about 10 sec. Rio7
Rio, Enjoying your posting and pictures!!! What part of S. Texas are you hunting? I coyote hunt SW of Catarina and as I’m sure you know, Coyotes are thick as fleas there too.
RIO7 with all the coyote control that you do has it had a positive effect on cattle, deer and other wildlife?
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
“Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.” ISAIAH 41:10
Deans, Our Whitetail fawn crop has gone up from 46% to 52% over the last 5 years. and we have other predators besides Coyotes, and according to the Texas Parks and Wildlife, Coyotes get 30% of our Quail, Quail hunting, is a big part of what we do. our Exotics reproduction has also increased about 20%. this place is like a big dinner bucket for predators. i'm just slowing them down some, and hunting Coyotes keeps me out of the Whore Houses and Bars, in the off season. Rio7 Rio7
hunting Coyotes keeps me out of the Whore Houses and Bars, in the off season. Rio7
Keep shooting coyotes those other two places can get expensive more ways than one.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
“Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.” ISAIAH 41:10
JPro, Downy fabric softener, 1 drop on Bino's And Scope lens, kills the static electricity, reduces the dust to almost nothing, some guy's put shaving cream on all their glass, but Downy works for me. Rio7
This is good to know.
And nice shootin!
The deer hunter does not notice the mountains
"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" - Isoroku Yamamoto
There sure are a lot of America haters that want to live here...
I started this thread about coyotes feeding on a long horn cow that died, we cut her head off, and Ruben And Tim, ranch hands and PHs, cleaned up the head, now to figure where to put it? it takes up a lot of room. Rio7
I started this thread about coyotes feeding on a long horn cow that died, we cut her head off, and Ruben And Tim, ranch hands and PHs, cleaned up the head, now to figure where to put it? it takes up a lot of room. Rio7
I thought that every Texas oil man worth his salt had one of those mounted on the grill of his Caddy. Shouldn't be too hard to get rid of.
Bloody Mary, has been getting a long over due break lately, she got the hell used out of her this season, one hell of a accurate rifle and a real pleasure to carry. Rio7
I saw a coyote Wednesday morning standing along side the road just outside Teflon, Yukon territory. They've come a long ways north
Dennis, I saw my first coyote near the Fort Richardson main gate back in 1976. Fish & Game said that there were no coyotes in AK at that time. Fast forward two years and they had to change their tune since one was killed by a car on the Richardson Hwy at the first Eagle River exit.
In 2003, while hunting the Nelchina herd off of the Denali Hwy, I watched three coyotes working the river bank just below the McLaren River Breaks.
They adapt very well and filter in where wolf numbers have been reduced.
Ed
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Ah, I wondered about the red and black tape. Thanks.
He has that grip wrapped because he has hands the size of baseball gloves.
As to the Bushmaster, it's been shot so much he burned out the original SS gas tube a couple of years ago. He wondered why is suddenly started malfunctioning...
Ed
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