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Nope, it never happened. There's evidence of populations of people living elsewhere around the world before and after the time of the alledged flood event. Geological evidence dismisses a global flood event.

The people who wrote the bible didn't know that so got caught out on that lie too. The biblical tale of creation is also fiction.
Didn't the Black Sea suddenly flood many 1000s of years ago at the end of the last ice age when the ocean broke over the barrier and put hundreds of feet of water over inhabited land. The Hebrew bible is not the only ancient account of a catastrophic flood. There are a lot of the bible accounts that have been found to have some basis in the evidence uncovered by archeologists such as the total destruction of Jericho.


There likely was a localised flood but not a global flood that wiped out all but those on the ark, as the writers of the bible claimed. The story is repeated in other religious sources too - copied from early texts.


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Crappy Hamper is saved!

6/17/20 – HC survives being poisoned by his "girlfriend".
"Good news is that it had a happy ending because I survived. I came within an inch of my life as organ failure set in. I'm grateful that God miraculously brought a vision of charcoal to my mind and where to find it. Then he gave me enough strength to drag myself off my back, get to it and eat it before dying. It absorbed the poison she put in the food and I recovered."


Personally, I'm glad he survived.

I'm glad that you survived the challenges and perils that you've faced too.
Unlike the NVs, you believe that God answers prayer.



Your stories come accross as contrived.....essentially, "look what happened to me, it's a miracle of god"

You probably mean well, but bending the truth to achieve an aim often just comes back to bite the storyteller.

Coming from an A-theist that wastes our time on my threads trying to convince everyone that the Bible and God of the Bible are contrived, it's no wonder you think that.
You reject the idea that miracles happen. That speaks for itself.
I speak for myself and yes miracles happen.



It's a discussion forum where all members can express their views. Nobody is wasting your time. You can either choose to respond or not...you are not being forced to 'waste your time,"





Holy Crapper wastes his own time, every time.


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Any dude that can predict his own death and resurrection…and pull it off…I’m goin’ with whatever that dude says…!


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Originally Posted by antlers
Any dude that can predict his own death and resurrection…and pull it off…I’m goin’ with whatever that dude says…!


But you did not witness any of that. You are taking the word of unknown people from over 2000 years ago that it happened. People whose credibility you know nothing about because you don't know them. People who lived in a time of backwards ass superstition and believed all manner of crap that we now know is bullchit.

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Any dude that can predict his own death and resurrection…and pull it off…I’m goin’ with whatever that dude says…!
But you did not witness any of that. You are taking the word of unknown people from over 2000 years ago that it happened. People whose credibility you know nothing about because you don't know them. People who lived in a time of backwards ass superstition and believed all manner of crap that we now know is bullchit.
Hey man, it’s OK with me that you choose to believe whatever you do. Why are you bothered so much by what other people believe…? Why are you bothered so much by what other people believe…really…?


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Originally Posted by Willto
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Any dude that can predict his own death and resurrection…and pull it off…I’m goin’ with whatever that dude says…!


But you did not witness any of that. You are taking the word of unknown people from over 2000 years ago that it happened. People whose credibility you know nothing about because you don't know them. People who lived in a time of backwards ass superstition and believed all manner of crap that we now know is bullchit.


Nope, I am taking God’s word for it.

See John 14:17 ……


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Any dude that can predict his own death and resurrection…and pull it off…I’m goin’ with whatever that dude says…!


But you did not witness any of that. You are taking the word of unknown people from over 2000 years ago that it happened. People whose credibility you know nothing about because you don't know them. People who lived in a time of backwards ass superstition and believed all manner of crap that we now know is bullchit.


Nope, I am taking God’s word for it.

See John 14:17 ……


Also written by MEN 2000 years ago who "CLAIMED" they were writting the word of god.

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Also written by MEN 2000 years ago who "CLAIMED" they were writting the word of god.
No they didn’t. The men who wrote the separate documents…that were collected and bound together hundreds of years later into what was called, collectively, the New Testament…didn’t claim that. They were simply documenting what happened, what they saw, and what others saw.

Matthew (an eyewitness) wrote about it, Mark (who spent time with Peter) wrote about it, Luke (who said he was going to investigate these things and put them in chronological order so we don’t miss anything) wrote about it, John (an eyewitness who took care of Jesus’ mother) wrote about it, James (what would it take for your brother to convince you that he was the son of God, and your Savior) was an eyewitness who wrote about it, Peter (who ran and hid like a coward) was an eyewitness and wrote about it, and Paul (who knew all of these people) was a contemporary who met the risen Jesus and believed that God had raised Him from the dead based on the eyewitness accounts and the testimonies of those who were closest to Jesus, he wrote about it.

They weren’t writing the Bible. They weren’t writing the New Testament. The weren’t writing “the word of God.” To them, they were simply documenting what happened, what they saw, and what others saw.


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Originally Posted by TF49
Originally Posted by Willto
Originally Posted by antlers
Any dude that can predict his own death and resurrection…and pull it off…I’m goin’ with whatever that dude says…!


But you did not witness any of that. You are taking the word of unknown people from over 2000 years ago that it happened. People whose credibility you know nothing about because you don't know them. People who lived in a time of backwards ass superstition and believed all manner of crap that we now know is bullchit.


Nope, I am taking God’s word for it.

See John 14:17 ……


God can't write


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Reprobates

Crappy, how does one become deputized to place people on a "reprobate" list?
Do you have a special agent card from the Holy Trinity? If so I'll need to see it and I'll need you to perform at least 3 miracles to prove it's legit.
I know I'm on your list so I'm just wondering if you're really juiced with the big guys or if St. Peter and I are just going to have a laugh at your expense at the Pearly Gates.
You know, like most here do now.

P.S.
I think your a poser.

Yes you are on Reprobate mode with me.
Whether or not you have been erased from the Lamb's Book of Life is up to the Lamb.

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Reprobates

Crappy, how does one become deputized to place people on a "reprobate" list?
Do you have a special agent card from the Holy Trinity? If so I'll need to see it and I'll need you to perform at least 3 miracles to prove it's legit.
I know I'm on your list so I'm just wondering if you're really juiced with the big guys or if St. Peter and I are just going to have a laugh at your expense at the Pearly Gates.
You know, like most here do now.

P.S.
I think your a poser.

Yes you are on Reprobate mode with me.
Whether or not you have been erased from the Lamb's Book of Life is up to the Lamb.


Is Billy Graham still in Hell?


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Didn't HC win the biggest retard at the beaver awards.

Anything like Hustlers Beaver if the Month?


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Originally Posted by antlers
Any dude that can predict his own death and resurrection…and pull it off…I’m goin’ with whatever that dude says…!


We have nothing from that Dude. We have what others have written decades later.

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Originally Posted by Hastings
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Nope, it never happened. There's evidence of populations of people living elsewhere around the world before and after the time of the alledged flood event. Geological evidence dismisses a global flood event.

The people who wrote the bible didn't know that so got caught out on that lie too. The biblical tale of creation is also fiction.
Didn't the Black Sea suddenly flood many 1000s of years ago at the end of the last ice age when the ocean broke over the barrier and put hundreds of feet of water over inhabited land. The Hebrew bible is not the only ancient account of a catastrophic flood. There are a lot of the bible accounts that have been found to have some basis in the evidence uncovered by archeologists such as the total destruction of Jericho.


If the Black Sea flood occurred, it was a local event and not consistent with the world wide flood of the Bible.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by NVhntr
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Reprobates

Crappy, how does one become deputized to place people on a "reprobate" list?
Do you have a special agent card from the Holy Trinity? If so I'll need to see it and I'll need you to perform at least 3 miracles to prove it's legit.
I know I'm on your list so I'm just wondering if you're really juiced with the big guys or if St. Peter and I are just going to have a laugh at your expense at the Pearly Gates.
You know, like most here do now.

P.S.
I think your a poser.

Yes you are on Reprobate mode with me.
Whether or not you have been erased from the Lamb's Book of Life is up to the Lamb.


Is Billy Graham still in Hell?

Why do you consider the substitutionary death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ inadequate sacrifice for sins?

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If the one true God being banned from a nation is good I wonder when we'll start seeing the fruits of it improving our society? I always see a hint of that desire in any thread that comes up on here concerning God and the Bible. So if you have a desire to see even more of throwing God out of our nation please explain to me when we'll start seeing the good in this.


So 9 hours later and no takers on my question? I don't want to argue, I just want the facts so please explain them to me.



How many cultures and societies have believed in gods, a creator, supernatural entities, etc, yet were violent? History has many examples.


I asked the question for the proof of taking God out of our country, the USA. So show me the proof it's working. I'm not interested in other places and times. Just here and now. This also goes beyond violence too. More like a moral decay which covers allot. Proof, not questions to me, that's what I want.


The state of a nation, its laws and values, depends on far, far more than just people believing in God.


John Adams and others in his day differ with that statement.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
You still have failed to show evidence that a Godless nation is a good thing.


You only need to look at history to see that belief in God or gods is not an indicator of peace and harmony. Human behaviour is driven by more than just a belief in God. I mentioned the dark ages and the power of the church.


John Adams is part of my nations history. A huge part. To ignore his words is exactly why things are as they are too. Peace and harmony cannot exist as long as there is good and evil. There will always be division. There has to be. Why would someone like myself agree to join myself with someone else that believes abortion is okay? Or that socialism is a decent form of government. Both of those concepts are evil. They are to be opposed and fought against. But back to my original question as far as presenting me with facts that a nation that is Godless is a good nation. I am looking for specific examples, if you have any. Not general references to the past.



John Adams was a man of his time and place, a statesman. His aim was to help build a nation based on the values that he grew up with, Christian values as he perceived them to be, which does not alter world history, which shows that simply believing in God did not make people better or their society fairer and more peaceful.

In the past, most people probably did believe in creation, a God or gods...which did not stop them from acting out of self-interest, being fallible or behaving badly.


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