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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Nope, it never happened. There's evidence of populations of people living elsewhere around the world before and after the time of the alledged flood event. Geological evidence dismisses a global flood event.

The people who wrote the bible didn't know that so got caught out on that lie too. The biblical tale of creation is also fiction.
Didn't the Black Sea suddenly flood many 1000s of years ago at the end of the last ice age when the ocean broke over the barrier and put hundreds of feet of water over inhabited land. The Hebrew bible is not the only ancient account of a catastrophic flood. There are a lot of the bible accounts that have been found to have some basis in the evidence uncovered by archeologists such as the total destruction of Jericho.


If the Black Sea flood occurred, it was a local event and not consistent with the world wide flood of the Bible.
I understand that, but to the people that survived the Black Sea flood which almost surely happened their whole world flooded and you know oral histories can get somewhat distorted. So there is a historical event that roughly corresponds to the biblical flood and some survivors. As to Jericho there is evidence that a hostile nomadic tribe (Hebrews) besieged and broke through and razed the place. They very well may have been aided by a seismic event at the opportune time. There may have been a fifth column (Rahab's family) in the city acting as Hebrew agents. Who knows what got abbreviated or left out or embellished in the telling but the story can easily be roughly true.


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Reprobates

Crappy, how does one become deputized to place people on a "reprobate" list?
Do you have a special agent card from the Holy Trinity? If so I'll need to see it and I'll need you to perform at least 3 miracles to prove it's legit.
I know I'm on your list so I'm just wondering if you're really juiced with the big guys or if St. Peter and I are just going to have a laugh at your expense at the Pearly Gates.
You know, like most here do now.

P.S.
I think your a poser.

Yes you are on Reprobate mode with me.
Whether or not you have been erased from the Lamb's Book of Life is up to the Lamb.


Is Billy Graham still in Hell?

Why do you consider the substitutionary death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ inadequate sacrifice for sins?


I don't consider that. What put that thought in your demented mind? The TBIs?

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Believe it or not, this happened to me at a mall.
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The medical physicians said that I had no hope of recovery.
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It's not supposed to happen but my brain works now. Some would say otherwise and might be right.
Couldn't remember so much as a 7 digit phone number from the page to dial.... after studying it a while.


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Originally Posted by NVhntr
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by NVhntr
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Originally Posted by NVhntr
Reprobates

Crappy, how does one become deputized to place people on a "reprobate" list?
Do you have a special agent card from the Holy Trinity? If so I'll need to see it and I'll need you to perform at least 3 miracles to prove it's legit.
I know I'm on your list so I'm just wondering if you're really juiced with the big guys or if St. Peter and I are just going to have a laugh at your expense at the Pearly Gates.
You know, like most here do now.

P.S.
I think your a poser.

Yes you are on Reprobate mode with me.
Whether or not you have been erased from the Lamb's Book of Life is up to the Lamb.


Is Billy Graham still in Hell?

Why do you consider the substitutionary death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ inadequate sacrifice for sins?


I don't consider that. What put that thought in your demented mind? The TBIs?

7/22/20 – (Best explanation yet for HC’s personality disorder.)
Believe it or not, this happened to me at a mall.
Instead of a hoe, it was a steel "I" beam and security gate chainlink. Free fell full speed with no resistance out of the ceiling directly onto my head. Nearly killed me. This happened the day after I insulted my very smart, awesome Dad. I was arrogant, frustrated and said something unkind to him. This wasn't karma. It was God humbling me, by using a store attendant who purposely pushed the button to drop it on my head.
The medical physicians said that I had no hope of recovery.
The Good Lord (The Great Physician), gave me healing in spite of my sin. I deserved to die that day.
It's not supposed to happen but my brain works now. Some would say otherwise and might be right.
Couldn't remember so much as a 7 digit phone number from the page to dial.... after studying it a while.


What do you think that is required of you to be saved?

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Originally Posted by Hastings
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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Nope, it never happened. There's evidence of populations of people living elsewhere around the world before and after the time of the alledged flood event. Geological evidence dismisses a global flood event.

The people who wrote the bible didn't know that so got caught out on that lie too. The biblical tale of creation is also fiction.
Didn't the Black Sea suddenly flood many 1000s of years ago at the end of the last ice age when the ocean broke over the barrier and put hundreds of feet of water over inhabited land. The Hebrew bible is not the only ancient account of a catastrophic flood. There are a lot of the bible accounts that have been found to have some basis in the evidence uncovered by archeologists such as the total destruction of Jericho.


If the Black Sea flood occurred, it was a local event and not consistent with the world wide flood of the Bible.
I understand that, but to the people that survived the Black Sea flood which almost surely happened their whole world flooded and you know oral histories can get somewhat distorted. So there is a historical event that roughly corresponds to the biblical flood and some survivors. As to Jericho there is evidence that a hostile nomadic tribe (Hebrews) besieged and broke through and razed the place. They very well may have been aided by a seismic event at the opportune time. There may have been a fifth column (Rahab's family) in the city acting as Hebrew agents. Who knows what got abbreviated or left out or embellished in the telling but the story can easily be roughly true.


The problem was that it was grossly exagerated as a narrative to support their story. Shows another failure of god and raises again the issue of incest.


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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

Well?
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Discussion/ debate, from the Bible, on whether or not the majority of people are saved (going to heaven).
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AFTER listening, what is your opinion?


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Any dude that can predict his own death and resurrection…and pull it off…I’m goin’ with whatever that dude says…!
But you did not witness any of that. You are taking the word of unknown people from over 2000 years ago that it happened. People whose credibility you know nothing about because you don't know them. People who lived in a time of backwards ass superstition and believed all manner of crap that we now know is bullchit.
Hey man, it’s OK with me that you choose to believe whatever you do. Why are you bothered so much by what other people believe…? Why are you bothered so much by what other people believe…really…?


It's called a discussion forum. This is a topic being discussed. If you are being forced to participate against your will by some armed individual just type "Help Me" and hit enter. Hopefully we can get someone over there to assist you.

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Originally Posted by Willto
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Originally Posted by Willto
Originally Posted by antlers
Any dude that can predict his own death and resurrection…and pull it off…I’m goin’ with whatever that dude says…!


But you did not witness any of that. You are taking the word of unknown people from over 2000 years ago that it happened. People whose credibility you know nothing about because you don't know them. People who lived in a time of backwards ass superstition and believed all manner of crap that we now know is bullchit.


Nope, I am taking God’s word for it.

See John 14:17 ……


Also written by MEN 2000 years ago who "CLAIMED" they were writting the word of god.



You may not understand John 14:17….. God comes and abides with and within the believer. When that happens, there is no doubt.

The witness within of the Holy Spirit is powerful.


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You may not understand John 14:17….. God comes and abides with and within the believer. When that happens, there is no doubt.

The witness within of the Holy Spirit is powerful.


Well there are 4000 recognized religions on this planet and all of them have members who believe just as powerfully as you that they are on the one true path. Yep, no doubts in their mind at all.

And yet simple deductive logic tells you that 3999 of them have to be wrong. So much for the accuracy of powerful feelings.

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Originally Posted by TF49
I think this is nothing but word bafflegab. You may believe that Christians are making a “claim,” but I see it as Christians providing a testimony or witness of our experience.

And here's some people providing a testimony or witness of their experiences being abducted by aliens:






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One major difference between the world religions and Biblical Christianity is the following.

Religions require the works of the individual to be the means of salvation.

Biblical Christianity has the works completed by the perfect sinless Sacrifice. He obtained salvation for all.
The choice to receive that gift is making Jesus the Object of your faith. You trust Him to save you because He is the Savior Who gave Himself for all sins.

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I do believe that the blood of Jesus, shed on the cross, provides the sole basis for the forgiveness of sin. And I do believe that God freely offers salvation to anyone who places their faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus as sufficient payment for their sin.


Exactly right, Amen!


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You may not understand John 14:17….. God comes and abides with and within the believer. When that happens, there is no doubt.

The witness within of the Holy Spirit is powerful.


Well there are 4000 recognized religions on this planet and all of them have members who believe just as powerfully as you that they are on the one true path. Yep, no doubts in their mind at all.

And yet simple deductive logic tells you that 3999 of them have to be wrong. So much for the accuracy of powerful feelings.





Well, you are focused on my personal belief and how you think it is not different from someone else's belief. You are not getting the "why" of my belief.

OK.... I'll just repost a response to one who was claiming that there is "no evidence" and leave you all to it.....





".......Well, there is evidence for the existence of God all around us. You either reject it or don’t see it.

Also, as it has been posted before, when the Creator comes to abide “within” the believer, that believer indeed has “proof.”

But, you apparently don’t see and you apparently “don’t have.”

Still, you comment above piques some interest. You state “…. the burden of proof lies with the one making the positive “claim.”….

I think this is nothing but word bafflegab. You may believe that Christians are making a “claim,” but I see it as Christians providing a testimony or witness of our experience.

But, you choose you words carefully and there is one interesting way to look at your post.

Should you be judged….. by a God you claim has not proved His existence….. this God, at your judgment may “play the video tape” of your life and show you literally dozens of times He made His presence known to you…. Only to have you somehow reject the witness.

No one can “argue” you into belief….. Only God can “get you to flip.” I wonder how many times the Spirit has knocked on your door, but you refused to answer the knock. You will say that that has never happened. I would expect that God will show you He knocked dozens of times when the tape rolls."

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Originally Posted by TF49
Originally Posted by Willto
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You may not understand John 14:17….. God comes and abides with and within the believer. When that happens, there is no doubt.

The witness within of the Holy Spirit is powerful.


Well there are 4000 recognized religions on this planet and all of them have members who believe just as powerfully as you that they are on the one true path. Yep, no doubts in their mind at all.

And yet simple deductive logic tells you that 3999 of them have to be wrong. So much for the accuracy of powerful feelings.





Well, you are focused on my personal belief and how you think it is not different from someone else's belief. You are not getting the "why" of my belief.

OK.... I'll just repost a response to one who was claiming that there is "no evidence" and leave you all to it.....





".......Well, there is evidence for the existence of God all around us. You either reject it or don’t see it.

Also, as it has been posted before, when the Creator comes to abide “within” the believer, that believer indeed has “proof.”

But, you apparently don’t see and you apparently “don’t have.”

Still, you comment above piques some interest. You state “…. the burden of proof lies with the one making the positive “claim.”….

I think this is nothing but word bafflegab. You may believe that Christians are making a “claim,” but I see it as Christians providing a testimony or witness of our experience.

But, you choose you words carefully and there is one interesting way to look at your post.

Should you be judged….. by a God you claim has not proved His existence….. this God, at your judgment may “play the video tape” of your life and show you literally dozens of times He made His presence known to you…. Only to have you somehow reject the witness.

No one can “argue” you into belief….. Only God can “get you to flip.” I wonder how many times the Spirit has knocked on your door, but you refused to answer the knock. You will say that that has never happened. I would expect that God will show you He knocked dozens of times when the tape rolls."

They still using tape in heaven? No dvd? Hmmm, that's odd. They use VHS or Betamax format?

Why would an omnipotent being capable of blinking the universe into existence give two chits what a being like myself (an ameoba by comparrison) thinks or does? Even worse why would such a being desire to be worshipped by such lowly creatures? That isn't a good look for an all powerful universal super being. Seems a very tawdry human desire.

No, this whole story smacks heavily of what it is. A man made story of which Christianity is but one of many.

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God gave us all free will to believe or not to each their own. That said

Philippians 2:10-11
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10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I will happily kneel and confess Jesus Christ is Lord. I suppose some won’t be happy, but it won’t change that they will kneel and confess Jesus Christ is Lord.


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Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by Willto
Originally Posted by antlers
Any dude that can predict his own death and resurrection…and pull it off…I’m goin’ with whatever that dude says…!
But you did not witness any of that. You are taking the word of unknown people from over 2000 years ago that it happened. People whose credibility you know nothing about because you don't know them. People who lived in a time of backwards ass superstition and believed all manner of crap that we now know is bullchit.
Hey man, it’s OK with me that you choose to believe whatever you do. Why are you bothered so much by what other people believe…? Why are you bothered so much by what other people believe…really…?



Why the deflection?
Why not address what he wrote?


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by Willto
Originally Posted by antlers
Any dude that can predict his own death and resurrection…and pull it off…I’m goin’ with whatever that dude says…!
But you did not witness any of that. You are taking the word of unknown people from over 2000 years ago that it happened. People whose credibility you know nothing about because you don't know them. People who lived in a time of backwards ass superstition and believed all manner of crap that we now know is bullchit.
Hey man, it’s OK with me that you choose to believe whatever you do. Why are you bothered so much by what other people believe…? Why are you bothered so much by what other people believe…really…?



Why the deflection?
Why not address what he wrote?


A belief beyond rational explanation maybe? Something that should be true for all if it were true at all.


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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by Hastings
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Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Nope, it never happened. There's evidence of populations of people living elsewhere around the world before and after the time of the alledged flood event. Geological evidence dismisses a global flood event.

The people who wrote the bible didn't know that so got caught out on that lie too. The biblical tale of creation is also fiction.
Didn't the Black Sea suddenly flood many 1000s of years ago at the end of the last ice age when the ocean broke over the barrier and put hundreds of feet of water over inhabited land. The Hebrew bible is not the only ancient account of a catastrophic flood. There are a lot of the bible accounts that have been found to have some basis in the evidence uncovered by archeologists such as the total destruction of Jericho.


If the Black Sea flood occurred, it was a local event and not consistent with the world wide flood of the Bible.
I understand that, but to the people that survived the Black Sea flood which almost surely happened their whole world flooded and you know oral histories can get somewhat distorted. So there is a historical event that roughly corresponds to the biblical flood and some survivors. As to Jericho there is evidence that a hostile nomadic tribe (Hebrews) besieged and broke through and razed the place. They very well may have been aided by a seismic event at the opportune time. There may have been a fifth column (Rahab's family) in the city acting as Hebrew agents. Who knows what got abbreviated or left out or embellished in the telling but the story can easily be roughly true.


Hastings,
I used the word "if" for a reason. You're presuming the alleged Black Sea deluge occurred, but that's only one of several competing hypothesis. In reality, The Black Sea area has been sealed off and reconnected many times during the last 500,000 years, with several later studies showing no evidence for the claimed deluge.

Even if it did occur, you've basically conceded the Biblical writer adapted an earlier oral tradition for their own purposes, or stole an earlier written story, perhaps one written in Cuneiform?


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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God gave us all free will to believe or not to each their own. That said

Philippians 2:10-11
English Standard Version
10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I will happily kneel and confess Jesus Christ is Lord. I suppose some won’t be happy, but it won’t change that they will kneel and confess Jesus Christ is Lord.


Just because something written in your book, that doesn't mean it's true.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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