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I'd still like to know, evolutionarily speaking, which came first the chicken or the egg? Or more precisely, an egg laying species or it's egg? How did it bridge the reproduction gap?


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Originally Posted by Springcove
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Honest question. It seems to bother some of you that people have faith why?


Does it bother you that the 9/11 Hijackers murdered over 3,000 Americans and plunged us into a 20 year long war?


Yes…


Actions are manifest from beliefs. So actions based on accurate beliefs congruent with the objective reality yield better outcomes.
As beliefs deviate from objective reality, so do the quality of the actions based upon those bad believes and the worse the outcomes.

Unfortunately the bad impacts of those bad actions are not always limited to those holding the objectively wrong beliefs.
Combine bad fanaticism with objectively bad believes and you get very bad outcomes, like 9/11, half million "witches" burned at the stake, modern science deniers who attempt to substitute religions classes for science class, trillion is economic damage fighting the evils of modern progress, and 100 million dead under Mao.



Different beliefs have lead to every war in the history of man. I’m not here to argue how someone believes. I’m just trying to understand why some have an issue in how I believe. I have no issue with people who don’t share my beliefs because that is their choice. I have made mine and you have made yours and I respect that.

My friend and hunting partner of more than 30 years is agnostic/atheist I’m actually not sure. I just know he doesn’t share my beliefs but it hasn’t affected are friendship because of it.

People like the OP do a disservice to a lot of Christians and that is unfortunate.


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Not all religions/belief systems are created equal, nor are all Christianities.

A good majority of Christians in America today are what I call functional Atheist. They claim to believe, don't really know what's in their bible, go to Chruch for weddings and funerals and focus on solving this world problems in this world, and don't unquestionably based their actions on dubiously sourced ancient parchments, and attempt to force other to conform to the same belief their at the point of a gun by trying to pass laws based on their old book. When debating, these are not the Christians I'm looking for, and I suspect you fall squarely in this camp. Dont' get me wrong, I'll still debate you for fun, to see if you have new or cleaver apologetics I've never head and to hone my skills, but you are not the droid I'm looking for.

When we study the impacts of religion against measures of well being, the evidence is crystal clear. The more fundamentalist the beliefs the worst the outcomes. It really doesn't matter what you measure, income per capita, teen pregnancy rates, rates of imprisonment, life expectancy, educational attainment, across the board, greater levels of fundamentalism lead to worse outcomes.

These are the believer's I'm looking for. Those who's beliefs are so wrong they impact the greater world in a negative way. I don't limit myself to Christians Fundamentalist's. I'm also opposed to Marxist, Muslim, Global Warming Alarmist, Hindu, Shinto, and Jainist Fundamentalist, we just don't have may of those of The Fire, so our religious debates typically revolve around Christianity.


Additionally, fundamentalist creates a viscous cycle. When fundamentalist fail they attribute their failure to an insufficient level of fundamentalism.
Put another way, fundamentalism leads to bad outs, bad out comes for fundamentalist leads to greater levels of fundamentalism, which lead to worse outcomes, and more fundamentalism etc. To better understand this in action, I suggest you read Lawrence Wrights "The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11".


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
I want to be in that, Number.

And there in lies part of the problem.
You are willing to believe anything for the illusion that you could be part of that number.


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I want to be in that, Number.
And there in lies part of the problem. You are willing to believe anything for the illusion that you could be part of that number.
His beliefs are not a problem for him. But his beliefs are clearly a problem for you. Why…?


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Originally Posted by 12344mag
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Honest question. It seems to bother some of you that people have faith why?

Honest answer:
I'm not bothered in the least by the faithful. I despise hypocrite Bible thumpers who feel the need to push their beliefs on others.


As a believer, I'm right there with you.


Compare the OP to Ken Howell.

Both are/were Christian, and that's where the comparison ends.

Ken started a lot of theological threads, but seldom did I feel the need to join in. Ken enjoyed debating the finer points of theology in a way that would make Christians better men as measured by their actions on this earth. He never reverted to based tactics, such as Pascals Wager, until he neared his end, and at that point, I felt it no longer fair to debate him. The younger sharper Ken would of been a lot of fun to debate. He'd of run circles around me, but not without my learning a lot in the process.

Ken Howell was a fine gentleman. Crappy Hampster is an insufferable, patronizing, arrogant, condescending asshat.


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Originally Posted by antlers
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I want to be in that, Number.
And there in lies part of the problem. You are willing to believe anything for the illusion that you could be part of that number.
His beliefs are not a problem for him. But his beliefs are clearly a problem for you. Why…?


Do you care about truth?


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I want to be in that, Number.
And there in lies part of the problem. You are willing to believe anything for the illusion that you could be part of that number.
His beliefs are not a problem for him. But his beliefs are clearly a problem for you. Why…?
Do you care about truth?
Why the diversion…? Why not answer the question that was first asked of you…?


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Originally Posted by antlers
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I want to be in that, Number.
And there in lies part of the problem. You are willing to believe anything for the illusion that you could be part of that number.
His beliefs are not a problem for him. But his beliefs are clearly a problem for you. Why…?
Do you care about truth?
Why the diversion…? Why not answer the question that was first asked of you…?


It's not a diversion. I asked that questions for purpose.


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It's not a diversion. I asked that question for purpose.
And I first asked a question of you for purpose.


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Originally Posted by antlers
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It's not a diversion. I asked that question for purpose.
And I first asked a question of you for purpose.


You're being obtuse today, so let me ask this a different way.

What's better. For a persons beliefs to align with objective really or to believe in fairy tales that make them feel good?


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
It's not a diversion. I asked that question for purpose.
And I first asked a question of you for purpose.
You're being obtuse today, so let me ask this a different way. What's better. For a persons beliefs to align with objective really or to believe in fairy tales that make them feel good?
How about you just first answer the simple question that was first asked of you, and then we’ll move on from there…?


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F A I R Y T A L E ..

There was an old lady who lived in a shoe,
She had so many children, she didn't know what to do.
So she fed them some broth without any bread,
Then whipped them all soundly and sent them to bed.

O B J EC T I V E R E A L I T Y ...

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and that he was buried, and that he rose again the
third day according to the scriptures.
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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Crappy Hampster is an insufferable, patronizing, arrogant, condescending asshat.
To say the least


Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone
I'd still like to know, evolutionarily speaking, which came first the chicken or the egg? Or more precisely, an egg laying species or it's egg? How did it bridge the reproduction gap?


Not nitpicking here but for the egg to develop then hatch, the Rooster had to cum first.

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Originally Posted by Houston_2
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I'd still like to know, evolutionarily speaking, which came first the chicken or the egg? Or more precisely, an egg laying species or it's egg? How did it bridge the reproduction gap?


Not nitpicking here but for the egg to develop then hatch, the Rooster had to cum first.

That does complicate things.


Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

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I'd still like to know, evolutionarily speaking, which came first the chicken or the egg? Or more precisely, an egg laying species or it's egg? How did it bridge the reproduction gap?


Not nitpicking here but for the egg to develop then hatch, the Rooster had to cum first.

That does complicate things.


Pay attention now.

The hen came about and was created from the ribs of the rooster.

Don’t you know anything, farm boy ?

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F A I R Y T A L E ..

There was an old lady who lived in a shoe,
She had so many children, she didn't know what to do.
So she fed them some broth without any bread,
Then whipped them all soundly and sent them to bed.

O B J EC T I V E R E A L I T Y ...

Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,
and that he was buried, and that he rose again the
third day according to the scriptures.
(1Corinthians 15:3-4)

You speak truth.

Jesus is the Truth.

Those who reject the Word of God, no matter how much evidence has been provided them, are unconvincable.
Would another year worth of truth convince them?...I doubt it.
I think that they made it clear that their purpose in life is to lead people away from the truth. NV, Cantaloupe Snipper, etc.

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You left out the part where he said, “and it ain’t no skin off my ass if you go “.

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Originally Posted by Happy_Camper

You speak truth.

Jesus is the Truth.

Those who reject the Word of God, no matter how much evidence has been provided them, are unconvincable.
Would another year worth of truth convince them?...I doubt it.
I think that they made it clear that their purpose in life is to lead people away from the truth. NV, Cantaloupe Snipper, etc.



Did you ever stop and think that maybe your job is to stop shoving the word of god down peoples throats and start showing them gods word. being you're particularly obtuse I'll give you a hint, showing them gods word is not opening the bible and showing them the pages.


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