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I have a Baer concept V. It’s the Government model in SS. I comes with adj. sites. I’m impressed with it.
I recently bought a Wilson Combat ACP model. All SS model in Commander size. When you pull the slide back , you think it’s on ball bearings. Hasbeen


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I have a friend who (1) is legally blind, and (2) likes high-end 1911's. He likes to shoot but can't see well enough to zero them or determine their accuracy. I "help" him by shooting his guns for him--I'm just a good guy who's willing to help a buddy! smile Hence, I have shot quite a few Nighthawks, Ed Brown's, and Wilson Combat's . I also used to shoot bowling pins with a bunch of guys who own a wide variety of 1911's. Naturally we shoot each other's guns to see what we like.

Anyhoo...compared to production guns (Colts, Kimbers, Springfields, Rugers, etc.) there just isn't any difference in performance. Making a functional 1911 isn't exactly a secret or even difficult. The custom shops make beautiful guns for sure, but they don't outperform production guns in either accuracy or reliability.

My two cents (and I'm sure I'll get change back) is this: handle them and buy the one that resonates with you, the one that makes you smile. Get the one you love looking at, that fits your hand, and makes you feel incomplete when you put it down. That's what you're paying for--not an advantage in accuracy or functionality.

Good luck! Be sure to post pics!


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I've had a Baer & could easily go there again.

If I was wealthy I'd have them all, but really think Bear is still a solid choice.

The Nighthawks are nice guns. Didn't those guys train under & work for.......... Baer?

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Originally Posted by local_dirt
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Another vote for Les Baer. I'm partial to the Ultimate Tactical Carry, since it doesn't have the ambi safety. (I'm cranky like that)




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Marxists, I mean. smile

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Originally Posted by gunzo
I've had a Baer & could easily go there again.

If I was wealthy I'd have them all, but really think Bear is still a solid choice.

The Nighthawks are nice guns. Didn't those guys train under & work for.......... Baer?

The Nighthawk crew used to work at Wilson Combat. They are also located in Berryville Arkansas, IIRC.


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Originally Posted by Waders
The custom shops make beautiful guns for sure, but they don't outperform production guns in either accuracy or reliability.


Sure they do. Night and day even.


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This one for deep sentimental reasons...
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and This one for both sentimental reasons and accuracy....
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Last December I put 3 consecutive "first cold shots of the day" rounds through the same hole at ten yds w/out making the hole any larger. I've done two in a row before a handful of times, but not sure if I've ever "Robin Hooded" 3 times in a row, with witnesses.Then on the first of the year (this year), I cut a playing card on edge on my first attempt at 10yds after a buddy of mine left the bottom 2/3's of the card from his shot with a .62cal smoothbore trade gun....(the 230gr LRN got just enough of the ogive on there to cut the card cleanly, so it wasn't perfectly centered,,, hence the rub-line,,, but I'll take it)
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Not sure if I'd ever see any benefit of throwing another $2-$3k into another 1911. To date, these have been 100% reliable.

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Originally Posted by Waders
I have a friend who (1) is legally blind, and (2) likes high-end 1911's. He likes to shoot but can't see well enough to zero them or determine their accuracy. I "help" him by shooting his guns for him--I'm just a good guy who's willing to help a buddy! smile Hence, I have shot quite a few Nighthawks, Ed Brown's, and Wilson Combat's . I also used to shoot bowling pins with a bunch of guys who own a wide variety of 1911's. Naturally we shoot each other's guns to see what we like.

Anyhoo...compared to production guns (Colts, Kimbers, Springfields, Rugers, etc.) there just isn't any difference in performance. Making a functional 1911 isn't exactly a secret or even difficult. The custom shops make beautiful guns for sure, but they don't outperform production guns in either accuracy or reliability.

My two cents (and I'm sure I'll get change back) is this: handle them and buy the one that resonates with you, the one that makes you smile. Get the one you love looking at, that fits your hand, and makes you feel incomplete when you put it down. That's what you're paying for--not an advantage in accuracy or functionality.

Good luck! Be sure to post pics!

Production guns will get 'er done, for sure, but my experience is the custom 1911s do outperform them in both accuracy and reliability.

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All of the versions that you posted are beyond excellent, with the Baer being a best buy from the cost standpoint, but I have a hard time liking Baer's..................just not my cup of tea.

I have 2 Wilson's & of the dozen or so 1911's that I have the Wilson's are my favorites with the 2-tone Protector version, below, being easily #1.

My 2nd choice would be Nighthawk............more or less the same, different trimmings.

Slides glide like on bearings, more than accurate for anything short of 50 yd bullseye shooting.

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I have handled them all and the Dw is a fine pistol but my Nighthawk is by far the nicest, smoothest 1911 I own. You can't go wrong with Wilson either. If you're looking for a higher end one and done.


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Originally Posted by lhead71
I have handled them all and the Dw is a fine pistol but my Nighthawk is by far the nicest, smoothest 1911 I own. You can't go wrong with Wilson either. If you're looking for a higher end one and done.


+1

I own, and have owned, a lot of 1911s, but if there had to be only one...Nighthawk Custom GAP 10mm.

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This Baer, that has a 1.5" @ 50 yard 5 shot guarantee is definitely the one I like to shoot the most.



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Originally Posted by skeen
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I have handled them all and the Dw is a fine pistol but my Nighthawk is by far the nicest, smoothest 1911 I own. You can't go wrong with Wilson either. If you're looking for a higher end one and done.


+1

I own, and have owned, a lot of 1911s, but if there had to be only one...Nighthawk Custom GAP 10mm.

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I feel for the insanity y'all endure, that is CA gun laws...

How could they possibly ban one brand of 1911, and allow another?

That's some crazy stuff right there. crazy


Yep. Makes no sense whatsoever. When I worked in the Wholesale Firearms Industry, we had a very short list of guns we could ship to CA after they changed their laws.
Right before that, we were making major bank shipping truck loads of guns there.


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Rick - I'm trying to stay right on topic.

On your list - I'd go Wilson, knowing any other choice isn't wrong, just different.

Last summer I was set on a new Wilson Hackathorn Special (finances/job changed so no new 1911) and came to the conclusion that if everyone keeps sayin "on par with a Wilson", "just as nice as a Wilson", "same as a Wilson".... why not just get the Wilson and call it good?

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I only own one 1911 so it has to be my favorite. I purchased a Dan Wesson Valor some years ago after extensive research told me that they were the best high end bang for the buck. I have been very happy with it although I have nothing to compare it to.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonTide
Originally Posted by gunzo
I've had a Baer & could easily go there again.

If I was wealthy I'd have them all, but really think Bear is still a solid choice.

The Nighthawks are nice guns. Didn't those guys train under & work for.......... Baer?

The Nighthawk crew used to work at Wilson Combat. They are also located in Berryville Arkansas, IIRC.


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Originally Posted by gunzo
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I've had a Baer & could easily go there again.

If I was wealthy I'd have them all, but really think Bear is still a solid choice.

The Nighthawks are nice guns. Didn't those guys train under & work for.......... Baer?

The Nighthawk crew used to work at Wilson Combat. They are also located in Berryville Arkansas, IIRC.


Thank you CT, I need correcting at times. Please don't tell my wife I admit that.

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Originally Posted by RickBin
Hi Guys:

I am trying to avoid the "what's the best 1911" question, but ...

I like Dan Wessons. I think DW is about the best bang for the buck 1911, all things considered. YMMV, of course, but that's my take. I really like my Commander Classic, although I would have preferred a VBOB. Were I able to purchase more Dan Wessons in Cali, I'd probably knock off a full-size Valor in .45 ACP, a 10mm Razorback, and a Guardian ... maybe in .38 Super or 9mm. But alas as a California resident, there is a grand total of TWO (2), dos, deux, DW 1911 models on our "approved handgun roster," the aforementioned Commander Classic, which I own, and the Pointman 7, which does not interest me so much. As such, it looks like I am Dan Wessoned out. Sucks.

So I've been hankering for a quality 5-inch 1911 .45 ACP, and since the DW Valor is out, I have been sniffing at some of the higher end stuff for a "one and done" grinlaugh California compliant model that will make me forget the Valor I would otherwise buy ... even if it costs me.

So now, the question (feel free to suggest other models ... this is where my attention is at the moment):



Les Baer Premier II: $2312

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or

Les Baer Custom Carry: $2323

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Wilson Combat CQB: $3050

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Ed Brown California Special Forces: $3495

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Nighthawk GRP: $3499

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or

Nighthawk Talon: $3999 (Yeeouch)

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I plan on handling every one of these.

All ears here, and thanks in advance ...











Ive literally owned them all. I would say les baer above all else minus one. I had a night hawk talon built and it was hands down the finest most accurate 1911 ive ever owner or seen. Regret selling it. My list in order goes nh talon, any of the les baers mentioned above, ed brown being a close second and wilson last. The 2 wilsons i owned were the least accurate and juat didnt do much for my tastes

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