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Re: The rifle market sucks… kandpand #16821071 01/09/22
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OP shortactionsmoker Campfire Tracker S Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 6,314 Western Kentucky	If I had to guess, it would be: 1. Cost of raw material 2. Availability of raw material 3. Cost of manufacturing with stainless 4. Cost of cerakote vs. stainless We need more stainless hunting rifles. I enjoy handguns and I really like shotguns,...but I love rifles!

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Re: The rifle market sucks… BigDave39355 #16821080 01/09/22
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OP shortactionsmoker Campfire Tracker S Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 6,314 Western Kentucky	Originally Posted by BigDave39355 SAS, You see it at the sales counter. What % of folks are buying guns to shoot 5x ( 5 rounds a year) a year for deer season and then put it up til next year? The $400 RAR and axis scratch that itch. It’s a big percentage, but hose guys still prefer stainless on their Axis if they can afford the choice. Ruger pricing has gotten ridiculous on the atrocious Go Wild Americans. I enjoy handguns and I really like shotguns,...but I love rifles!

Re: The rifle market sucks… Teal #16821092 01/09/22
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Wrongside Campfire Regular Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,121 AB	Originally Posted by Teal Originally Posted by ERK They are making what most people are wanting to buy. It’s business. Most of the rifles on the shelves are 6.5 creedmore. Apparently they sell because the stores are ordering the hell out of them. Edk Eventually you ask - do they sell because that's all that's available? Good point. Can't buy something that isn't an option. As a southpaw, I'm painfully aware of that. Originally Posted by Llama_Bob I've seen more well-shot game lost with TSXs than any other premium bullet.

Re: The rifle market sucks… shortactionsmoker #16821139 01/09/22
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PintsofCraft Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 2,621 Vermont	When it’s obvious to even a casual observer that corners have been cut, it’s time for a course correction. The gun makers forgot that to many, rifles eventually become heirlooms.

Re: The rifle market sucks… shortactionsmoker #16821175 01/09/22
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George_De_Vries_3rd Campfire Ranger Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,093	Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker If I had to guess, it would be: 1. Cost of raw material 2. Availability of raw material 3. Cost of manufacturing with stainless 4. Cost of cerakote vs. stainless . I would think the higher quality European gun makers would also have these challenges in spades. Perhaps, there is a great deal to how our respective hunting cultures have developed. That of Europe, more so of the aristocrat class and they are and have been the market for higher dollar firearms. And maybe Brad is right in that the average American hunter wants a blister pack from Walmart.

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Re: The rifle market sucks… shortactionsmoker #16821186 01/09/22
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OP shortactionsmoker Campfire Tracker S Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 6,314 Western Kentucky	Paul mentioned Bergara above and we’ve continued to receive a decent supply from them. They have two big “X’s” in my book - they’re heavy and they don’t currently import stainless rifles. I know Ruger and Winchester weren’t known for light rifles, but they were American made. That’s a big plus in my book. I enjoy handguns and I really like shotguns,...but I love rifles!

Re: The rifle market sucks… shortactionsmoker #16821229 01/09/22
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Jericho Campfire Outfitter J Joined: May 2002 Posts: 9,960	I used to see used Savage 10/11/110 etc for sale everywhere, but not anymore

Re: The rifle market sucks… shortactionsmoker #16821250 01/09/22
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dimecovers5 Campfire Regular D Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 546 Under your bed	Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker I’m not telling you anything you didn’t already know, just thinking out loud. Has the Golden Age of bolt action rifles as we knew it come and gone? Nothing desirable from Kimber (Montana, Classic, Classic Select). Ruger 77’s or Hawkeye’s have mutated into a techno/tactical version that doesn’t appeal to me. Remington 700’s are shipping in a few forms, but they’re just using up old parts. The new “Alpha” 700 has me interested, but no idea when they’ll ship. I don’t think stainless is an option either. No Barrett Fieldcraft’s for now and I don’t expect them ever to return in the same form. Winchester isn’t the old Winchester and they’re not shipping well either. Tikka still makes a good stainless hunting rifle, but shipments are far and few between. Christensen has done a decent job keeping rifles on the shelf. Proof has been shipping a few too. I know all about the manufacturing challenges. Maybe I’m getting old? Not that I don’t think there is a place for the Ruger American or the Savage Axis, I just think there is a huge segment of the bolt action market that wants something better. It appears as if every manufacturer thinks dipping their stocks in some god awful camouflage and cerakoting the action is innovation. I know I can’t be the only person out there disgusted with what’s currently available on the market? What's the "Alpha" model you mention?

Re: The rifle market sucks… dimecovers5 #16821257 01/09/22
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OP shortactionsmoker Campfire Tracker S Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 6,314 Western Kentucky	Good catch. It’s the future of the Remington 700. I enjoy handguns and I really like shotguns,...but I love rifles!

Re: The rifle market sucks… shortactionsmoker #16821264 01/09/22
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D R Brown Campfire Member D Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 258 Alabama	I was recently without a Ruger 77 for the first time in a long time. The itch to add one back cost me $800 for a better than average Hawkeye All Weather in .308. They could be had new 10 years ago for $600ish. Oh well.

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Re: The rifle market sucks… shortactionsmoker #16821277 01/09/22
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Jeffrey Campfire Tracker J Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 5,184 TX	Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker Good catch. It’s the future of the Remington 700. Anything different about them, or just newly manufactured parts?

Re: The rifle market sucks… shortactionsmoker #16821305 01/09/22
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clockwork_7mm Campfire Tracker C Joined: Dec 2019 Posts: 4,677	Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker Paul mentioned Bergara above and we’ve continued to receive a decent supply from them. They have two big “X’s” in my book - they’re heavy and they don’t currently import stainless rifles. I know Ruger and Winchester weren’t known for light rifles, but they were American made. That’s a big plus in my book. Bergara pulled the plug on the Timber and Woodsman pretty darn quick. I'm guessing they won't be going walnut again in the states for a while?

Re: The rifle market sucks… shortactionsmoker #16821341 01/09/22
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ghostrider272 Campfire Regular G Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,561	Now just be a lefty in the midst of all this...

Re: The rifle market sucks… Jeffrey #16821359 01/09/22
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OP shortactionsmoker Campfire Tracker S Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 6,314 Western Kentucky	I’ve not handled or seen one. Just hearsay at this point. Phone conversations basically. I think it’ll be something like this - side bolt release, wide ejection port, longer mag box, round top, better stock, trigger tech and faster twists. No idea when/if it will actually be produced, but if those things are true it could be a winner. Lots of time to screw stuff up between ideas and actual production. Truth be told, I hope Remington (or Rem Arms) comes back and kicks everyone’s ass. We need a leader of the pack that others want to imitate (again). We need some excitement about a quality rifle. I’m sick of seeing social media posts about another digital camo rifle with a fluted barrel, fluted bolt, muzzle brake and painted another color of brown or gray. I enjoy handguns and I really like shotguns,...but I love rifles!

Re: The rifle market sucks… shortactionsmoker #16821382 01/09/22
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Jeffrey Campfire Tracker J Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 5,184 TX	Me too. Hope you are right. As this thread demonstrates, the American public is ready for a well thought out and well made rifle that hasn’t been dumbed down for the masses. It would be nice to see a rifle maker give us rifle loonies some credit.

Re: The rifle market sucks… shortactionsmoker #16821396 01/09/22
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geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,088 Texas	I guess I have a different perspective....... All purchased pre-enjoyed at a value! Some recent acquisitions..... Steyr Ultra-light, 223 Rem Rigby Style Stalking Rifle, Parker-Hale action, 275 Rigby Steyr Mannlicher Classic, 8mm x 57 Sako AIII Deluxe, 270 Win. Sako AV Deluxe, 280 Rem Custom, Remington 600, Mannlicher, 17 Mach IV Remington Model 7 Custom Shop, 7mm--08 Remington 700, Custom Shop, 300 Win Mag Blaser R93 Grand Luxe, 30-06 Springfield ya! GWB A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

Re: The rifle market sucks… 10gaugemag #16821409 01/09/22
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sidepass Campfire Tracker S Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,585 Northern Ca	Originally Posted by 10gaugemag Originally Posted by Jeffrey And for the love of god, can manufacturers stop putting threads on the end of every damned barrel they send out? Guns are supposed to be loud and have recoil. If you can’t handle that, perhaps you should take up basket weaving. Wouldn't be so bad if it didn't look like the knot in the middle of a dogs di..ick! Will take your word on that. And on the other note a yes for a new Montana. Never take life to seriously, after all ,no one gets out of it alive.

Re: The rifle market sucks… Dixie_Rebel #16821464 01/09/22
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GeoW Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 17,236 The Land of Cotton	Quote Now, unless you want to spend a fortune, companies want you buy JUNK Vortex Diamondbacks and other Chinese garbage! ^ This! "I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson GeoW, The "Unwoke" ...Let's go Brandon! "A Well Regulated Militia" Life Member

Re: The rifle market sucks… shortactionsmoker #16821486 01/09/22
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HunterShooter58 Campfire Regular H Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,977 North Central Ohio	Not to sound like a know it all, but I saw this coming yrs. ago when the traffic at the Gun shows slowed down, and the Black rifle lovers took hold, and the Lib tards started to voice their opinions, louder, and more often! I remember the old timers, saying, things were changing, people are changing! They were right, and We listened! Seriously, My buddies still re mind me, as do my sons, as we were buying as much stuff as we could think of, and afford. The problem is, that even though, you can't do it all, or even think of it all, but we sure put a dent in it, and I truly have to say that there's nothing that I have, to have. My boy's feel the same way! Don't miss understand me, I like stuff like everyone else, but changing with the times, is important! I Learned a long time ago to Separate My Want's from My Needs! A man's Gotta Do What a Man's Gotta Do! Know Thy Self! TRUMP DID WIN!!!

Re: The rifle market sucks… geedubya #16821533 01/09/22
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OP shortactionsmoker Campfire Tracker S Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 6,314 Western Kentucky	G-Dub, I’ll all about used treasures too. Prices went up with demand and bargains are harder to find, but quality is worth a price. Never considered you a Ruger American or Savage Axis guy anyway!! I enjoy handguns and I really like shotguns,...but I love rifles!

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