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Any experience with H335 and 69 grain Sierra? The rifle is a Rock River heavy stainless in 1-8" twist as I recall. 223 of course. I have been meaning to load some of the 69 grain Sierras for a while and haven't gotten around to it. I was going to use my go-to if 748. I've never loaded this heavy a bullet in the 223. Yesterday I was snooping and ran across a new pound of H-335. The price tag was $16.99 and I bought it at a pretty pricey local shop several years ago.
Which of the 748 or H-335 has worked better for you? I have Varget also but don't really want to have to weigh every charge.
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H335 works, but generally better for lighter bullets. I do agree with you about having to weigh every charge though. That is a huge pet peeve of mine when dealing with the little 223 rem cartridge. My favorite powder is AR Comp, however there are many powders you can use without having to weigh each charge. X-terminator works well with heavy bullets. TAC, RL15, BLC2, AA2015, AA2520, AA LT30 and AA LT32 powder also works well. IMR4198 works well, as does newer powders like CFE223 and IMR8208XBR. Many of these powders I have listed do not require you to have to "weight" each charge. Just dump from a good powder measure and go. I use a RCBS uni flow and it handles all of these powders with ease. I can charge and load 300 rounds per hour this way and attain sub moa accuracy in my AR15's and bolt action 223 rifles. 748? I've never used...


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I can’t speak for H335, but I am using W748 with the 68 gr bthp and getting good accuracy in my bolt gun 1:8.


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I use Varget for the heavier bullets


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8208 works pretty good behind a 68gr.match hp in my bolt gun, but N140 really shines.

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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
H335 works, but generally better for lighter bullets. I do agree with you about having to weigh every charge though. That is a huge pet peeve of mine when dealing with the little 223 rem cartridge. My favorite powder is AR Comp, however there are many powders you can use without having to weigh each charge. X-terminator works well with heavy bullets. TAC, RL15, BLC2, AA2015, AA2520, AA LT30 and AA LT32 powder also works well. IMR4198 works well, as does newer powders like CFE223 and IMR8208XBR. Many of these powders I have listed do not require you to have to "weight" each charge. Just dump from a good powder measure and go. I use a RCBS uni flow and it handles all of these powders with ease. I can charge and load 300 rounds per hour this way and attain sub moa accuracy in my AR15's and bolt action 223 rifles. 748? I've never used...


I have used 748 and it works well with what few heavy bullets (68 grain Hornady's) I load but I seem to get better accuracy from Benchmark. Unfortunately, I have several pounds of 748 but very little Benchmark. I guess I need to play with it some more to see if I can find that sweet spot. 748 does flow well from an RCBS powder measure.

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748 Hands down!

Know tons of people who swear by H 335..... but I've had a Ruger 77 223, blow twice, with a charge of 25 grains with a 55 grain SP Bullet... I don't trust it, period..
There are plenty of other options available.

On the other hand. If you ever shot a 223 with H 335, in it at night, in pitch black.... once you experience the fire ball it generates, you'll use any other powder but H 335.

you won't want to use it shooting prone on a field with very dried grass.... Can't think of any other powder that produces as large of a fireball once pulling the trigger..


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Originally Posted by Seafire
748 Hands down!

Know tons of people who swear by H 335..... but I've had a Ruger 77 223, blow twice, with a charge of 25 grains with a 55 grain SP Bullet... I don't trust it, period..
There are plenty of other options available.

On the other hand. If you ever shot a 223 with H 335, in it at night, in pitch black.... once you experience the fire ball it generates, you'll use any other powder but H 335.

you won't want to use it shooting prone on a field with very dried grass.... Can't think of any other powder that produces as large of a fireball once pulling the trigger..


W760's right there with it.

That's one of the reasons I'm moving to Shooters World powders. They all have some level of flash suppressant, with Tactical Rifle having the most.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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748 Hands down!

Know tons of people who swear by H 335..... but I've had a Ruger 77 223, blow twice, with a charge of 25 grains with a 55 grain SP Bullet... I don't trust it, period..
There are plenty of other options available.

On the other hand. If you ever shot a 223 with H 335, in it at night, in pitch black.... once you experience the fire ball it generates, you'll use any other powder but H 335.

you won't want to use it shooting prone on a field with very dried grass.... Can't think of any other powder that produces as large of a fireball once pulling the trigger..


W760's right there with it.

That's one of the reasons I'm moving to Shooters World powders. They all have some level of flash suppressant, with Tactical Rifle having the most.

That's good info. I'll remember to never lay down in the grass and shoot my 223's. I hate snakes anyway...


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Originally Posted by Seafire
748 Hands down!

Know tons of people who swear by H 335..... but I've had a Ruger 77 223, blow twice, with a charge of 25 grains with a 55 grain SP Bullet... I don't trust it, period..
There are plenty of other options available.

On the other hand. If you ever shot a 223 with H 335, in it at night, in pitch black.... once you experience the fire ball it generates, you'll use any other powder but H 335.

you won't want to use it shooting prone on a field with very dried grass.... Can't think of any other powder that produces as large of a fireball once pulling the trigger..


I agree, I hate H335. I ran out a few years ago and never planned to re stock, always a better option !!!!!!

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper


W760's right there with it.


I have never noticed that with W760, but have never used it in a 223 either.
W760 is my magic pixie dust for a 220 Swift

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Lots of good info here. Thanks.


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25.1 gr RL15 & 69 sierra #1380 MK, 2.23" oal, Rem 7 1/2 match, Fed 205M primer, Winchester brass. This for a 1:9 20" AR15 A2 service rifle. Good to 600 yard for hi-power shooting.


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Originally Posted by boatanchor
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W760's right there with it.


I have never noticed that with W760, but have never used it in a 223 either.
W760 is my magic pixie dust for a 220 Swift


I've never shot it in a .223 either, but shoot it in a .270 at dusk and you'll get fireballs about 6 feet across.


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Hey, I do use H 335 in a 223......

If you do want to impress someone, let them shoot it in the air at night...

Kids love it.....


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Thanks for the many replies. I guess I'll put the 335 back for another 25 years or so. 748 has always been my go-to for 55 grain bullets and I guess it will be for the heavies also.
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Reason it’s not being used much anymore it’s a temp sensitive and shooting at Perry in the summer would cause pressure spikes. But most those guys are one and done with their brass. This has nothing to do with 748 but more with brass. As the story goes AMU showed up and we’re using lapua brass. But we’re just leaving it. Other shooters saw it started picking it up. One of the shooters gets home sizes goes to prime it and primers would just fall out of the primers pockets. Lol Anyhow see below from another site.

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“25.0 of 748 under the SMK 69 is the old tried and true High Power load from the mid eighties for AR-15's. At that time the SMK 69gr and the Hornady 68gr were the only heavy projectiles available”

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I like H335 for 55gr bullets and under, around 24.5 is a good safe place to be with most of them.
If I had 68-69 gr bullets, I would wish I had 748 instead of 335 though.


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I have worked up a load with H335, 69gr SMK in 1:8, 20" Tikka Varmint. My most accurate was 24.8 at 2853 FPS. Got lots of pressure at 25.3, so I'd be careful as you approach 25gr. Does it work? Yes, but nowhere near as well as Varget or SW Match in my limited experience.


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IMR 8208XBR is what I used with 69 gr Sierras and was very happy with it. I had only 1000 bullets and I had enough 8208 of the same lot to load them all. It is easily a better load than I can shoot (a low bar) but it is my go to load when shooting coyotes beyond the back fenceline.

I had several pounds of 748 but used most of it up on 55 gr and 62 gr FMJ plinking loads and what was left was given to my stepsons. H 335 is an impressive powder, the muzzle flash from a 223 is pretty intense at night but a max load of H 335 in a Browning BLR in 358 Win is even more so - even in the daylight.


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