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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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I'm wondering what he is saying about this.

Russia wants those countries for themselves but those countries are wanting to free themselves from Marxism and democratize.

Russian cannot help but be on the border of Ukraine. Also, you sound like you're stuck in 1950. The US is several times more Marxist than modern day Russia.

Gonna agree with TRH on this one. Russia has been there and learned their lesson. We on the other hand have half our population wanting to give it a shot. I remember Putin warning Trump about going Socialist. Dont do it.

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You'll never make it in politics. Speaking the truth is not how the game is played.


LOL No schit you commie marxist

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I think Putin and his goof ball generals are going to back off , just like they did in 62' ; the troop deployment spy plane photographs even look familiar.

If the Ukraine and Georgia wants to join NATO how why should Russia be able to tell them they may not. Would you like some looser commie outfit telling you what you can and cannot do?

Hitler invaded the Sudetenland and Chamberlain came home with the big peace talk papers with no more concessions , How is this any different.

Any one who thinks Russia is their ally or that we "need them" is the ally of Marxist communism . China and Russia can both take a Marxist hike and the sides will be on the ones they should be.





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ukraine doesnt want the US or NATO anyway. The price is too high. Look at the decades long trail of destroyed and fragmented countries we were supposed to have rescued. All we do is create chaos and pump resources out of them as fast as we can. A russian takeover gets them same standard of living.



I thought you were in Oz?


If so that’s a mighty ominous “we”


I’ve called him in it before. I loathe reading post by foreigners concerning domestic policy and our politics



Our politics does affect the rest of the world in many cases.


I’m not contesting that. But posters that live in a prison colony opining on our elected officials etc should find other topics.


Were all in the same prison now friend. And the issue isnt elected officials, its the fact non-elected officials shut down every national constitution including yours in about 48 hours.

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Yurrup is lost, sooner or later. If not the Russians, then by the French and Germans who are already working on an EU military, supposedly to project EU Power and influence in the world, but probably to subdue those pesky member countries that think they should have a say in their own affairs. It’s already being called The Fourth Reich. Strangely enough, Germany has already abandoned the pledge they made during the Trump Presidency to spend 2% of their GDP on defense, an odd posture unless they plan to continue to rely on the U.S. for protection from Russia while oppressing other EU countries with their new EU forces. (A while back I read that Germany can’t even muster a full fighter squadron, pretty fuggin’ pitiful for the richest country on the continent)

If Russia attacks the Ukraine and we get involved, China will likely invade Taiwan, knowing we probably can’t or won’t interfere. I think we should focus on the Pacific, where we have pretty reliable allies in the Australians, S. Korea, Japan, and possibly India.

With Biden as President, we’re pretty much f*cked if anything serious occurs.


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Originally Posted by 158XTP
We're all in the same prison now friend. And the issue isn't elected officials, its the fact non-elected officials shut down every national constitution including yours in about 48 hours.
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Originally Posted by Malcolm
I think Putin and his goof ball generals are going to back off , just like they did in 62' ; the troop deployment spy plane photographs even look familiar.

If the Ukraine and Georgia wants to join NATO how why should Russia be able to tell them they may not. Would you like some looser commie outfit telling you what you can and cannot do?

Hitler invaded the Sudetenland and Chamberlain came home with the big peace talk papers with no more concessions , How is this any different.

Any one who thinks Russia is their ally or that we "need them" is the ally of Marxist communism . China and Russia can both take a Marxist hike and the sides will be on the ones they should be.






Third paragraph from bottom last sentence!

What the hell you think we’re putting up with at present time???


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Originally Posted by Slope77
The only reason that Russia is thinking about invading Ukraine is because we are messing around there. I grew up in the Cold War - mutually assured destruction and all. And I would say that the erosion of good faith since that time is almost 100% on the US and NATO. We continued to move the alliance east. Why unless we still wanted to treat Russia as an enemy? What strategic interest do we have in Ukraine and if we have one is it even defensible? Imagine Russia messing in Mexico or Canada - except this is even worse. Consider the Cuban Missile Crisis and how we are sticking our nose where it shouldn’t be. Ukraine is unquestionably in Russia’s sphere of influence and is strategically indisposable to them.

I think Putin is probably a lot better man than Biden and is smarter than our last four presidents combined. Our real rival is China and Russia could be helpful in that regard if we stopped poking that bear. This is our fault and we shouldn’t risk one American life for Ukraine.
Letting the former independent eastern European countries like Hungary, Poland, etc., into NATO was a good idea, since they were historically independent. I can even go with the 3 Baltic states. Enticing any of the former SSRs was a big mistake, though.

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Is that a planet near Uranus?



Look it up!!


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It's not foreign governments that the American people need to be concerned with.

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It's not foreign governments that the American people need to be concerned with.

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You'll never make it in politics. Speaking the truth is not how the game is played.


LOL No schit you commie marxist

Go back to DU






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