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22HP bullets #16838684 01/14/22
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Need to rehash this topic briefly. I'm trying to turn the .228 bore rifles I own into big game rifles. No tiger on the menu but I want to be able to poke a bear if I happen across one. I realize that's a tall order and bears are better hunted with the mighty 358. LOL

I've been researching European brand bullets since the cartridge is popular over there for big game hunting, but keep hitting dead ends and disabled pages. Came across this bullet in my search. Available for about 85 cents each. Just an FYI, velocities are 22HP, or above that for the 221 Falcon. Any thoughts on a solid brass bullet with a hollow point and a minimum impact velocity of 1500 fps on big game?

https://cuttingedgebullets.com/228-60gr-fb-raptor

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Re: 22HP bullets [Re: Fireball2] #16838765 01/14/22
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Find some heavy body fresh road kill and try it out...?


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Re: 22HP bullets [Re: Rick99] #16838849 01/14/22
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I guess I need to know the twist rate of the barrels first. According to the manufacturer it needs to be 1-10" or faster twist.


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Re: 22HP bullets [Re: Fireball2] #16838898 01/14/22
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I was just going to ask about that twist rate thingy, Roy. Before trying them in an old Savage High Power I would want to know how long they are. In my experiments I found .750" length to be about the maximum length for reliable across the board accuracy. (Individual guns, atmospheric conditions, and elevations above sea level being wild cards.)

Brings to mind another question. How deep is the hollow point? If the bullet is too long for reliable use in an 1899, is the cavity deep enough to support shortening of the bullet? Say, you had to remove a bunch off the nose to shorten it would there be enough cavity left for it to behave as planned when impacting a critter?

I kind of like the idea of the front half of such a bullet shattering and the pieces scything through nerves, blood vessels, and organs while the main body plows on through wreaking havoc on its own. I wouldn't mind try some of them, but I'm not keen to spend $85 for a hundred of them for that experiment.


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Re: 22HP bullets [Re: Fireball2] #16838903 01/14/22
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Savage twist rates, as per Charles Newton.

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Can't fault them for cooking up twist rates matched to the specific bullets they intended for use in their rifles, but golly I wish they had a little more foresight. That .32-40 is another example. The 1-16 twist rate is ideal for "typical" factory loads of the time, usually 165 grain bullets. What .32-40 schuetzen guys found was a little faster twist was necessary for the 185-210 grain bullets that buck the wind better out at the 200 yard target butts. If Savage had simply cranked in just a little more twist in the .22HP and .32-40 (and .38-55 for that matter) it would've given those rifles a lot more versatility.


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Re: 22HP bullets [Re: Fireball2] #16840116 01/14/22
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Originally Posted by Fireball2
Need to rehash this topic briefly. I'm trying to turn the .228 bore rifles I own into big game rifles. No tiger on the menu but I want to be able to poke a bear if I happen across one. I realize that's a tall order and bears are better hunted with the mighty 358. LOL

I've been researching European brand bullets since the cartridge is popular over there for big game hunting, but keep hitting dead ends and disabled pages. Came across this bullet in my search. Available for about 85 cents each. Just an FYI, velocities are 22HP, or above that for the 221 Falcon. Any thoughts on a solid brass bullet with a hollow point and a minimum impact velocity of 1500 fps on big game?

https://cuttingedgebullets.com/228-60gr-fb-raptor

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Re: 22HP bullets [Re: 99guy] #16840211 01/14/22
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I'm looking to tailor an O/U 22HP/12 gauge to woods loafing and opportunistic hunting of big game and birds. Mono's would be better for bears than thin jacketed bullets typically seen used in the 22HP. Plus I have the 221 Falcon that pushes speeds approaching 220 Swift velocities.


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Re: 22HP bullets [Re: Fireball2] #16840217 01/14/22
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Shucks, Roy. Wouldn't a .22/.410 suffice? grin


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Re: 22HP bullets [Re: gnoahhh] #16840229 01/14/22
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Originally Posted by gnoahhh
Shucks, Roy. Wouldn't a .22/.410 suffice? grin


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I think I'd go with Neck shots!, Tends to drop deer!


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Re: 22HP bullets [Re: Fireball2] #16840815 01/14/22
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Try it out ... but bring along 12 gauge slugs.

Re: 22HP bullets [Re: Fireball2] #16840861 01/14/22
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Your bears are bigger than woodchucks, and even “slightly” bigger than the eastern black bears. I don’t think Charles would think your idea a great one. grin

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Tweaked the reply into one column to make it easier reading, though it is a bit long.

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Re: 22HP bullets [Re: Calhoun] #16840880 01/14/22
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Well, he did say occasional deer or black bear, and I only do this occasionally, so I think we're good.

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Re: 22HP bullets [Re: Fireball2] #16840887 01/14/22
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Occasional, AND FAVORABLE shot at a black bear. Don’t think stumbling upon one in the brackles at 10 yds qualifies as favorable. grin



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Re: 22HP bullets [Re: Calhoun] #16840891 01/14/22
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I understand favorable.


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Re: 22HP bullets [Re: Fireball2] #16841354 01/15/22
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Rumor has it that Wyoming requires 243 or larger bullets to take elk and larger game because too many critters got wounded and got away to perish later after being shot with a 22 H-P. An old timer told me he wounded several big game animals with a 22 H-P when a youngster. His dad had given him the 22H-P thinking it was a good kid's gun.
A drilling or a cape gun in 12 or 16 gauge and one of the 7.3 MM rifle calibers would be good for your purpose. But I'm confident in your ability to do the job with the 22H-P.


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Still in the formative stages, but I will need to check state laws, as well as do penetration and accuracy tests with the chosen bullets.

*22 caliber in Oregon

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Originally Posted by wyo1895
Rumor has it that Wyoming requires 243 or larger bullets to take elk and larger game because too many critters got wounded and got away to perish later after being shot with a 22 H-P. An old timer told me he wounded several big game animals with a 22 H-P when a youngster. His dad had given him the 22H-P thinking it was a good kid's gun.
A drilling or a cape gun in 12 or 16 gauge and one of the 7.3 MM rifle calibers would be good for your purpose. But I'm confident in your ability to do the job with the 22H-P.


As always bullet construction is the key. With power roughly equivalent to a .223, the HP is capable enough but historically the bullets have been thin jacketed. If this bullet is too long, I'll try Barnes ttsx in .224 diameter.


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Re: 22HP bullets [Re: Fireball2] #16841840 01/15/22
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We are talking about a number of years ago when bullets weren't up to today's standards.


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