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I realize I may be painting with a broad brush initially, but what whitetail cartridge uses the least amount of powder and will still cleanly and ethically kill a whitetail in Eastern Hardwoods out to 200 yards?
ETA: components for said cartridge must be reasonably easy to obtain; current situation aside.
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22 long rifle if you drill em’ in the ear.
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22 long rifle if you drill em’ in the ear. As I understand it, it's difficult to reload a .22lr, but point well-taken and I agree, although a .22 Mag is a bit better option IMO. I was thinking along the lines of a 204 Ruger or 22 Hornet, but wanted to get opinions here.
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To me, based on cost and availability of all components, a 223 is the slam dunk objective answer, in my opinion.
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This is slightly different than you asked, but cast bullets work well with certain fast powders and really do fairly well. An example is I use 12 grains unique in my 358 Win under a 160 grain bullet which propels it to 1650 fps. Some guys do something similar in a 30-06 pushing a 170 grain bullet to maybe 1800 fps. Cast out of lead that is not too brittle and with a hollow point that would be very effective out to 200 yards. So if you are looking purely at powder savings, that would be a viable option.
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223 is probably my answer here. It has worked for me. Still, I'd rather use something with a bit more mass, like a lightly loaded 6.5CM/7mm-08 or a full-house 6.8spc/6.5Grendel, as I like a decent blood trail on a lung-shot runner.
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To me, based on cost and availability of all components, a 223 is the slam dunk objective answer, in my opinion. Yup, that would get my nod. 25 grains of powder and a 55-77 grain bullet work decent.
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6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC, either one a better choice than any of the 22's.
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I would say 223 as well, but not knowing all the laws in all the states on 22 caliber, I'd opt for 6.5 Grendel or 250 Savage
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A .50 lead roundball and some FFF or FF, prolly in for about $0.25.
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Some of seafire’s blue dot reduced loads may qualify here. I’m using 19.1 grains in a .260.
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I would say a 223 as well
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6mmx222 or 25x222. Pretty slim appetite for powder.
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6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC, either one a better choice than any of the 22's. I'd go with the Grendal also... I have one...its only handloaded.... 28 grains of 3031.... Hornady brass is holding up real well also... have one batch of 10 rounds that I have now reloaded 20 times... neck sized, body die, and annealed each reload.... Ruger American Predator.
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Some of seafire’s blue dot reduced loads may qualify here. I’m using 19.1 grains in a .260. who?? does that actually count?
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Pure lead projectile in a muzzle loader - perhaps the cheapest. 223 with a non-varmint bullet of perhaps 55 grains. I would not go with smaller than a 222 with jacketed bullets.
When I was young we could only afford cast bullets and the rifles were $10 Springfields - it worked. Any 30 caliber cartridge from 30-30 on up would work as well. With the cartridges I have on hand though I think a 375 Win with cast bullets would be my choice or perhaps my muzzle loader.
If you’re going to shoot cast, I think 30 caliber to be minimum (maybe 7mm). The larger the caliber the better to a point for effectiveness.
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218bee 22 hornet 222 223
Any of those are fine with a well placed bullet
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Some of seafire’s blue dot reduced loads may qualify here. I’m using 19.1 grains in a .260. Good point. And if you are stretching things to 200yds, some of the 4198/RL7 light-loads are good too. A 120gr 6.5mm or 7mm at 2500+/-fps with 30-ish gr of powder is right there with a 6.8spc or 6.5 Grendel load, but may allow you to use a rifle you already own. They are fun to shoot but still deadly, I know that much.
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I’d say a 223 with a Bear Claw bullet. I’ve hit 200 lb pigs at 225 yards, gone through both shoulders to parts unknown. A 62 Barnes will also. 26 grains of CFE 223. I wouldn’t be nervous about deer hunting with a 223 out to 200 yards, but have bigger toys to use.
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