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Ammo #16860011 01/19/22
Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 42 Boise, ID B Basco OP Campfire Greenhorn
OP Basco Campfire Greenhorn B Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 42 Boise, ID	Anyone starting to see HV HP ammo on shelves yet? Squeaks will be coming around in 4-6 weeks. Shot more RF ammo on grd squirrels last year than I ve done for years. The 223 light loads are just too expensive now with the price of primers, powder and bullets.

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Re: Ammo Basco #16860113 01/20/22
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 47,959 Battle Born B bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana
bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 47,959 Battle Born	Try your local Walmart. Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: Ammo Basco #16860125 01/20/22
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,760 Wyoming W WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger
WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger W Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,760 Wyoming	Our walmart had some and Murdocks had a bunch. Molon Labe

Re: Ammo Basco #16860126 01/20/22
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,760 Wyoming W WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger
WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger W Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,760 Wyoming	Our walmart had some and Murdocks had a bunch. Molon Labe

Re: Ammo Basco #16860975 01/20/22
Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,714 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 Campfire Ranger
Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,714 West of the Blue Ridge	There’s .22 ammo all over the web, but not everywhere all the time. You gotta look, then buy it when you find it. If you’re counting on finding it at MeeMaw & PeePaw’s anytime you care to wander in, the squeaks are gonna have a peaceful Spring. Just the way it is. What fresh Hell is this?

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Re: Ammo Basco #16861027 01/20/22
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,366 Idaho D drover Campfire Tracker
drover Campfire Tracker D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,366 Idaho	You can order direct from CCI, it may take a few weeks to get it and it is not the most inexpensive way to purchase but it is better than not having any. https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/ drover 223 Rem, my favorite cartridge - you can't argue with truckloads of dead PD's and gophers. 24hourcampfire.com - The site where there is a problem for every solution.

Re: Ammo Basco #16861119 01/20/22
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,068 Annapolis, Md. G gnoahhh Campfire Ranger
gnoahhh Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,068 Annapolis, Md.	Begs the question, why HV HP's for small rodents? I routinely use low velocity match ammo to dispatch groundhogs, one shot to the noggin. Just wondering. "You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty

Re: Ammo Basco #16861177 01/20/22
Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 2,418 Shawangunkill River - NY C cooper57m Campfire Regular
cooper57m Campfire Regular C Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 2,418 Shawangunkill River - NY	I also just use SV or match ammo to dispatch pest such as chucks or raccoons. Heck, I killed a raccoon with a .177 Crossman Marauder air rifle. As pointed out above, one shot to the noggin gets it done.

Re: Ammo drover #16865274 01/21/22
Joined: May 2017 Posts: 1,225 Brookings Oregon T Tesoro Campfire Regular
Tesoro Campfire Regular T Joined: May 2017 Posts: 1,225 Brookings Oregon	Originally Posted by drover You can order direct from CCI, it may take a few weeks to get it and it is not the most inexpensive way to purchase but it is better than not having any. https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/ drover I just got 1000 rds of minimag from them. Arrived in a week here in Oregon and was the best deal I could find on the net. I looked everywhere but the frt factor crept up the prices past the cci price as they had free freight.

Re: Ammo Basco #16865322 01/21/22
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 984 va K kunas Campfire Regular
kunas Campfire Regular K Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 984 va	natchezss has 17 hmr for 17.50 and 22 mag for 18.99. As stated above we will never see the prices of a couple years ago sure glad i stocked up then

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Re: Ammo gnoahhh #16888194 01/27/22
Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,714 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 Campfire Ranger
Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,714 West of the Blue Ridge	[quote=gnoahhh]Begs the question, why HV HP's for small rodents? I routinely use low velocity match ammo to dispatch groundhogs, one shot to the noggin. Just wondering. /quote] Based strictly on reading about it, solid-nosed ammo lets too many crawl off to die elsewhere. These things are pretty small and lively, I take it, so head-shots aren’t always taken. Reviews of various lead-free ammo brands frequently mention poor performance on the little rats. When I used to shoot a lot of starlings, I enjoyed the pop ‘n puff HSHPs, especially Stingers, used to produce. Starlings are great targets for rifle and shotguns. Oh for the good ol’ days! What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Ammo Basco #16888608 01/27/22
Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 2,807 South Carolina J JB in SC Campfire Regular
JB in SC Campfire Regular J Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 2,807 South Carolina	Walmart here had WW PowerPoints $40.18 for 300. They had about ten boxes.

Re: Ammo Pappy348 #16888931 01/27/22
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,366 Idaho D drover Campfire Tracker
drover Campfire Tracker D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,366 Idaho	Originally Posted by Pappy348 [quote=gnoahhh]Begs the question, why HV HP's for small rodents? I routinely use low velocity match ammo to dispatch groundhogs, one shot to the noggin. Just wondering. /quote] Based strictly on reading about it, solid-nosed ammo lets too many crawl off to die elsewhere. These things are pretty small and lively, I take it, so head-shots aren’t always taken. Reviews of various lead-free ammo brands frequently mention poor performance on the little rats. When I used to shoot a lot of starlings, I enjoyed the pop ‘n puff HSHPs, especially Stingers, used to produce. Starlings are great targets for rifle and shotguns. Oh for the good ol’ days! Pappy348 - you are spot on with the reason for using HP on ground squirrels, they are a small target, and are very active darting from place to place so head shots are pretty much out of the norm. They are tenascious to life, even with half of them blown away they will still manage to crawl down their hole. I have always said that given their refusal to die if they were as large as grizzly bears we would all be bear poop. drover 223 Rem, my favorite cartridge - you can't argue with truckloads of dead PD's and gophers. 24hourcampfire.com - The site where there is a problem for every solution.

Re: Ammo gnoahhh #16890153 01/27/22
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 23,013 SW Montana V VarmintGuy Campfire Ranger
VarmintGuy Campfire Ranger V Joined: May 2003 Posts: 23,013 SW Montana	Gnoahh: I Hunt a lot of Ground Squirrels and it IS needed, to have the high velocity hollow-points for this use. Some of the reasons being the flatter trajecory for the high velocity ammo as compared to the "rainbow" trajectoried S/V stuff. Often the Ground Squirrels are shot at extended and unknown distances and in high volumes - laser ranging takes up to much trigger time. S/V ammo is great for shooting at KNOWN distances (like 25 yards and/or 50 yards!) where the trajectory is not a factor - but when shooting out at 125 to 175 yards the high-velocity ammo REALLY excels, comparatively. Then there is the "lethality" factor comparing the H/V hollow-points and the lead round nose S/V stuff - there is NO comparison! Even though they are Varmints and or pests I prefer to kill as many as possible as cleanly and quickly as possible! This is virtually mandatory for me as I often shoot 300 to 400 rounds a day and I know how much better I feel doing the farmers and ranchers a favor when most of my hits are quick kills as compared to the much less "efficient" S/V round nose rimfire ammo. Yeah its possible to kill small creatures with S/V round nose ammo, BUT, the high velocity hollow-point ammo is better, WAY better in the field. And I often run across Jack Rabbits, Badgers, Rock Chucks and an occasional Fox while Ground Squirrel Hunting - here the H/V hollow-point ammo is even more preferable. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy

Re: Ammo VarmintGuy #16892954 01/28/22
Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 2,807 South Carolina J JB in SC Campfire Regular
JB in SC Campfire Regular J Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 2,807 South Carolina	Originally Posted by VarmintGuy Gnoahh: I Hunt a lot of Ground Squirrels and it IS needed, to have the high velocity hollow-points for this use. Some of the reasons being the flatter trajecory for the high velocity ammo as compared to the "rainbow" trajectoried S/V stuff. Often the Ground Squirrels are shot at extended and unknown distances and in high volumes - laser ranging takes up to much trigger time. S/V ammo is great for shooting at KNOWN distances (like 25 yards and/or 50 yards!) where the trajectory is not a factor - but when shooting out at 125 to 175 yards the high-velocity ammo REALLY excels, comparatively. Then there is the "lethality" factor comparing the H/V hollow-points and the lead round nose S/V stuff - there is NO comparison! Even though they are Varmints and or pests I prefer to kill as many as possible as cleanly and quickly as possible! This is virtually mandatory for me as I often shoot 300 to 400 rounds a day and I know how much better I feel doing the farmers and ranchers a favor when most of my hits are quick kills as compared to the much less "efficient" S/V round nose rimfire ammo. Yeah its possible to kill small creatures with S/V round nose ammo, BUT, the high velocity hollow-point ammo is better, WAY better in the field. And I often run across Jack Rabbits, Badgers, Rock Chucks and an occasional Fox while Ground Squirrel Hunting - here the H/V hollow-point ammo is even more preferable. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy I’ve been using WW Power Points since they were originally imported from Australia. The US made ones are about as good and will shoot inside 1/4” @ 50 yards from my ULA Model 20, cold barrel or not. I use Eley Subsonic Hollow Xtra Plus for backyard pests, it’s the only subsonic HP I’ve found that reliably expands, but I don’t use them at long ranges. I have some WW Subsonic HP’s (Australian imports with bullets identical to Power Points, but not copper washed) that are good killers as well, but I haven’t recovered any bullets to see if they expand. They are quiet and very accurate.

Re: Ammo Basco #16893250 01/28/22
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 393 Boise National Forest, Idaho M mannyspd1 Campfire Member
mannyspd1 Campfire Member M Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 393 Boise National Forest, Idaho	As an alternative that may be useful when .22 hollowpoints can be hard to find, use a hollow point tool to convert solid nose to hollowpoint. I have 2 different kinds that basically work the same, one made by "D-Rock" a former poster on here. I do not know if these are still being made. The second one is marketed by Paco Kelly over on Leverguns. I havent found that coverting the rounds to Hollowpoints appreciably improves accuracy, like they wont convert cheap bulk ammo to 10x accuracy. What they will do for sure, is to convert already accurate solid non hollowpoint ammunition in YOUR firearm, to accurate hollowpoint ammo. I have found that I still get good expansion using accurate subsonic ammo on small rodents like ground squirrels, but without the fragmentation. So the rounds wont blow them apart, but hits with a solid audible "thump" and leaves a big hole when exiting. This may be useful to some who can find solid nose ammo but not high speed hollowpoints. Manny Last edited by mannyspd1; 01/28/22.

Re: Ammo Basco #16903884 01/30/22
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 984 va K kunas Campfire Regular
kunas Campfire Regular K Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 984 va	our local walmart had WW powerpoints in stock, only ammo on their shelves $40 ish for 300 round boxes

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