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Like the gal told a politician. Now your just using big words to try and sound smart.LOL. Edk

Endangered toad? That’s all she wrote; the Injuns don’t got nothing to worry about. Here in San Antonio a single 4mm long transparent cave spider derailed a $50,000,000 highway overpass project, existing less-safe alternative be damned.

Shoulda fought harder?

More’n anything it was de-facto biological warfare that wiped out the first 90%. Even so the White man never got across the Appalachians in more’n a Century until there was a huge disparity in numbers. After that things went exponential pretty quick, the Appalachians to the Pacific in a single human lifetime.

Man for man you could argue the Indians were better fighters, being raised from childhood into the life, certainly extraordinary feats of hardiness and endurance were a norm.

As for the language here, I dunno how many using it would say it face to face.

Pretty shameful.

Man for man you could argue no such thing

The idea of the noble savage, whether in It’s original form, or transformed to fit modern beta bullshidt arguments is just that. Bullshidt.

Yeah, they’re ALL about the environment.

but only when there’s a buck to be made.

Ever visited Pine Ridge?

It sometimes seems like the chest beaters and teeth gnashers think this country would have gone unexplored, unsettled, and undeveloped had the white man not set foot on this land. Perhaps they would have gotten a better deal with the Chinese or Japanese. Maybe the Russians would have treated them better. This country would have been settled by someone.

It is all worthy of respect, or at least recognition. None of that means that one ethnicity won't dominate. That is an inevitability that descends from the human condition and as such it is right and good.

Kai Murros put it as well as I have ever read:

LOL, I hear ya, but it sounded really good!!

Pay up mòtherfùcker!

Hahahaha!


You poor white cùnts.

And yet the fear and dread inspired by relative handfuls of Indians were able to stall or reverse the Frontier over hundreds of miles, to the point where it was generally understood it usually took an Indian to track down an Indian.

Likewise they were renowned for their skill with weapons to the point that the longest hits ever recorded with longrifles ( for whom the weapon was likely originally designed) were made by Indians.

How many White guys caught mustangs by running them down on foot or went out with edged weapons to picks fights with grizzlys?



Untwist thy knickers, who said anything about “noble savages” ?

Settle down there Injun Joe........

It's Injun Jim...thanks.

Ask the Aleuts here in Alaska about Russian settlement- or the Chukchis, etc. over in Siberia

Lolol. Ah yes, the scary Indian. Surely no “white man” put any fear into the tribes? Surely that was never documented?

Every swinging Richard who went west took it in stride. And they brought their families to boot. You “White guys” had been taming horses for centuries before they got turned loose here. I’m sure it was done incorrectly by white puzzies before the red man showed them how to do it right?

There’s nothing special about the Indians. They there folks doing what it took to survive till they came in contact with a more advanced bunch of folks

And to sell short the pioneers like you have is borderline criminal.

But then again, you thing African immigrants are crime free and here to boost the American dream for all.

I will trade you beads and a nice blanket for a pair of seal skin boots Mr Jim.

Thank you..... They have their defaults for sure, but they do have reasoning behind them.

Native Americans, as well as all of us European (and other) immigants -are watching out ,solely, for our own "tribes".

Seems to me, the "natives" lost the battles, but are winning the war - a tactics vs. strategy kind of thing. JMHO.

Supposedly my mothers great uncle George Conrad was commander of B Co, 2nd Calif Volunteer Cavalry at Dun Glen Nevada in 1866-7. A well experienced Indian fighter. He is supposed to have stated to a Humboldt Register news reporter, "We didn't defeat the Paiutes, the iron cooking kettle and the wool blanket was their Achilles heel." I guess meaning that the trade goods soon became necessities once the Indians became accustomed to them.

Of course it was, with good reason, heck a single contaminated Euro could wipe out most of the tribe. Other than that, there was a common knowledge the Whites like rising flood waters and the futility of fighting.

Fear of Whites drove massive tribal migrations and sparked the Iroquois for one to fraudulently sell Kentucky from under the feet of the Shawnee.

Ultimately, fear of Whites led most every tribe to agree to a reservation.



Um, no. A tiny fraction of the population did, many paid for that gamble with their lives. A state of constant war was NOT the normal situation most places. When war did break out most settlers retreated from the areas of danger as best they were able.

There were a few Frontier superstars, the Boones and Kentons and their ilke, a tiny proportion of the whole population.

Here in Texas, by the 1870’s, there were around 800,000 settled in Texas, or about 160,000 men and youths of fighting age, most of whom were armed.

Meanwhile, at that same time, the rapidly dwindling Comanches and Kiowas might be able to assemble at best, 4,000 men and youths. How many Texans do you think ventured out into Comancheria? If there were as many as 200 of those 160,000 armed Texans out on the Plainsat any one time looking to pick fights with Indians that was a lot.

Like everywhere else, the country here settled up only after the threat of Indians was gone. Meanwhile, in the decades prior, small parties of Pawnees, Omaha’s, Waco’s, Caddos and Karankawas had been venturing out into Comancheria ON FOOT at a pre-Cholera time while the Comanches were still in their prime, and returning with Comanche scalps and horses.

How many White guys pulled that off?



You drinking tonight? Breaking horses weren’t the issue, running horses down on foot was.



Like the longrifle, the Indians adopted Euro technology early on. Heck, about the time the Cherokees came up with their own written syllabary, one of their Chiefs, Crazy James Vann, was one of the wealthiest men in America.

The Indians were swept by a more NUMEROUS bunch of folks who were breeding at a rate comparable to modern-day Kenyans.

Actually, the tipping factor was likely massive Indian losses in epidemics. India is still predominantly Indian, China still predominantly Chinese, Africa still predominantly African. White people settled there too but the natives didn’t go extinct on contact.



No, I merely stated fact, the Frontier everywhere retreated dramatically in the face of Indian wars, permanent settlement for the most part occurred after the Indian threat was gone. I pointed out that the Indians, man for man, were probably better warriors than the average Euro, having been raised to the life, and gave examples.

Moving to a hostile Indian Frontier back then was like moving to Northern Mexico today, most rational people didn’t care to.



Educated professional, legal African immigrants are among our most successful immigrant groups, at a rate comparable to educated professional East Indians. Once again this is merely fact.