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I bought a Remington 788 a few years ago, just because I love 788s mainly. Also got one in .243 for my Daughter in Law to use, and you guys who know me have heard the .308 story. Anyway, with winter setting in serious like I’m finally figuring on working up a stupid load, just to see how far I can push the envelope.  I’ve been shooting 55 grain blitz kings over H4350 for a while, but Ben sent me a bunch of 35 grain V-max. With components as they are, I wanna use what I got instead of trying to locate powder I don’t have. I bought some new cases, and I’m sitting on a bunch of 4350, both Hogdon and IMR. I’ve also got some IMR4064, and a couple pounds of H335 that I got for doing .223. Suggestions? I’m gonna see how fast I can push them, and once It warms up I’m gonna work for accuracy. 7mm
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4350 pretty slow for 22 250?
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I am..........disturbed.
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H380 and 4320 is what I generally use.
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Don't think the case will hold enough 4350 for balls to wall speed. Faster powder needed, likely.
And,,, your gun your fun, but the faster you push, the quicker the barrel says bye.
35 grain V max likely to come apart before they get to the target anyway. Aren't those for Hornets & such?
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Vapor trails like bottle rockets
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They'll hold together, boost them with a big dose'T of Varget when you can find some.
I've used that bullet on close range crows & coon calling, hit like a lightening strike.
About 4450 -4500 fps. w/a 26'' barrel.
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I used to use a lot of 3031.
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I used to use a lot of 3031.
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50 grains is a heavy as you need to go with the 250.
40 is fun as hell.
SLOW twists and light bullets are just fine...like old ass Mike said.
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They'll hold together, boost them with a big dose'T of Varget when you can find some.
I've used that bullet on close range crows & coon calling, hit like a lightening strike.
About 4450 -4500 fps. w/a 26'' barrel. And they fly like a paper airplane past 75 yards
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I have 1 22-250 that loves 40g nbts over Benchmark at 4200 fps. I sold a very clean 788 22-250 at the bouse gun show last year way too cheap. I didn't realize they are worth more than $300 now.
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Cartridge : .22-250 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 35, Hornady V-MAX 22252
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.350 inch or 59.69 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
113 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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IMR 3031 110.0 38.1 2.47 4465 99.8 62527 9507 0.786 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp *C *T 105.5 37.8 2.45 4459 100.0 64000 8812 0.777 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 TZ *C *T approximation 104.9 37.8 2.45 4459 100.0 64000 8812 0.778 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52 110.0 42.1 2.73 4455 97.6 63757 9868 0.783 ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 94.0 35.8 2.32 4452 100.0 64000 9034 0.779 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 106.7 38.7 2.51 4440 100.0 64000 9377 0.810 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 101.2 40.4 2.62 4439 98.0 64000 9608 0.781 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 108.9 40.4 2.62 4435 95.7 64000 9899 0.787 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 96.4 36.9 2.39 4424 99.5 64000 9189 0.776 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 102.6 36.9 2.39 4424 99.5 64000 9189 0.776 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 105.9 39.2 2.54 4413 96.3 64000 9670 0.787 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 *C 109.5 40.6 2.63 4407 95.0 64000 9740 0.789 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 109.5 40.6 2.63 4407 95.0 64000 9740 0.789 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 109.5 40.6 2.63 4407 95.0 64000 9740 0.789 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 103.5 41.9 2.71 4407 97.0 64000 9672 0.790 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B *C 110.0 40.8 2.64 4406 95.6 63760 9728 0.790 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 108.6 42.9 2.78 4404 95.4 64000 9665 0.783 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 104.1 40.7 2.64 4404 98.6 64000 9409 0.796 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle 106.5 40.7 2.64 4404 98.6 64000 9409 0.796 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 106.5 40.7 2.64 4404 98.6 64000 9409 0.796 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x *C 100.4 35.1 2.28 4403 100.0 64000 8799 0.786 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10 96.2 38.1 2.47 4403 98.9 64000 9288 0.785 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 *C (PCL223) 96.1 38.2 2.47 4400 99.0 64000 9272 0.785 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 *C 108.4 43.8 2.84 4400 94.0 64000 9790 0.783 ! Near Maximum !
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39 97.0 36.7 2.38 4399 100.0 64000 8521 0.794 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 106.1 39.3 2.55 4398 95.6 64000 9620 0.788 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 96.4 39.0 2.53 4396 99.0 64000 9250 0.784 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 *C 106.9 39.0 2.53 4394 99.0 64000 9254 0.788 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 *C 102.0 38.0 2.46 4393 97.1 64000 9390 0.782 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 *C 102.8 39.8 2.58 4385 97.1 64000 9409 0.786 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 40 100.0 37.8 2.45 4382 98.2 64000 9211 0.783 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar 103.6 41.0 2.66 4380 95.6 64000 9509 0.786 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 105.7 37.2 2.41 4377 98.8 64000 9228 0.802 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200 *C 96.4 35.0 2.27 4376 100.0 64000 8608 0.799 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 100.8 40.2 2.60 4376 97.3 64000 9409 0.792 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198 99.9 33.2 2.15 4374 100.0 64000 8283 0.767 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR 104.2 38.6 2.50 4372 97.0 64000 9262 0.784 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 106.4 40.7 2.64 4369 95.6 64000 9426 0.787 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 *C 107.3 38.9 2.52 4365 97.0 64000 9333 0.797 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 *C 108.8 40.8 2.64 4365 99.0 64000 9203 0.790 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2207 95.2 33.0 2.14 4364 100.0 64000 8202 0.782 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015 102.9 36.5 2.36 4362 100.0 64000 8648 0.794 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 101.8 38.5 2.49 4350 99.5 64000 8813 0.784 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 *C 109.0 39.6 2.57 4350 99.3 64000 8871 0.787 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 99.6 39.6 2.57 4350 97.9 64000 9132 0.801 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 99.3 39.6 2.57 4350 97.9 64000 9132 0.801 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 109.3 39.1 2.53 4350 97.0 64000 9213 0.798 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 96.9 37.1 2.40 4345 97.7 64000 8996 0.783 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Precision 110.0 39.7 2.57 4342 96.9 62441 9312 0.803 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062 110.0 39.7 2.57 4342 96.9 62441 9312 0.803 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 110.0 41.7 2.70 4342 93.0 63376 9489 0.797 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4 97.9 38.9 2.52 4341 97.8 64000 9009 0.796 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World AR Plus 97.9 38.9 2.52 4341 97.8 64000 9009 0.796 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-7 94.2 33.8 2.19 4341 100.0 64000 8310 0.785 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 106.1 41.9 2.71 4337 93.1 64000 9357 0.788 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP1 NT *C ~approximation 95.4 34.3 2.22 4335 99.1 64000 8565 0.771 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 104.2 41.6 2.69 4335 95.5 64000 9143 0.788 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4198 96.2 33.5 2.17 4333 99.3 64000 8476 0.770 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 110.0 40.1 2.60 4331 94.7 61633 9289 0.789 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data 109.6 42.0 2.72 4329 93.4 64000 9274 0.792 ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2 94.8 37.4 2.43 4328 97.7 64000 8899 0.785 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4227 90.9 30.8 2.00 4327 100.0 64000 7850 0.768 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 103.0 37.6 2.44 4324 97.6 64000 8894 0.785 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 98.6 39.6 2.56 4324 96.4 64000 9015 0.795 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 110.0 41.2 2.67 4323 96.0 59939 9556 0.819 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 110.0 41.2 2.67 4323 96.0 59939 9556 0.819 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200 103.0 38.8 2.51 4322 93.4 64000 9122 0.784 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP2 NT *C ~approximation 105.0 38.6 2.50 4318 96.0 64000 8947 0.784 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130 *C 102.9 35.6 2.31 4315 100.0 64000 8248 0.786 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N133 *C 108.9 36.9 2.39 4315 100.0 64000 8303 0.783 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 110.0 42.1 2.73 4314 94.3 59208 9590 0.809 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator *C 100.6 39.8 2.58 4314 95.4 64000 9062 0.791 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4227 90.3 30.6 1.99 4313 100.0 64000 7819 0.766 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 103.9 41.3 2.68 4313 93.0 64000 9189 0.796 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Tactical Rifle 97.1 38.3 2.48 4310 96.5 64000 8841 0.787 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Tactical Rifle 97.1 38.3 2.48 4310 96.5 64000 8841 0.787 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC *C 102.7 41.1 2.66 4305 92.3 64000 9190 0.792 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 110.0 39.9 2.58 4305 98.7 58181 9438 0.846 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060 105.7 38.1 2.47 4304 95.6 64000 8892 0.785 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N125 *C 92.6 31.9 2.07 4304 100.0 64000 7727 0.781 ! Near Maximum !
Kazan Sunar 308W 98.0 35.5 2.30 4304 100.0 64000 8226 0.787 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 30 91.0 29.7 1.92 4299 100.0 64000 7535 0.774 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335 106.4 38.6 2.50 4298 99.5 64000 8569 0.796 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 50 109.4 42.2 2.73 4294 90.9 64000 9162 0.794 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N120 *C 97.7 33.1 2.14 4293 100.0 64000 7657 0.783 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 110.0 39.6 2.56 4290 94.0 61382 9165 0.797 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 104.9 38.4 2.49 4288 96.1 64000 8772 0.785 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE BLK *C 93.8 36.9 2.39 4279 97.0 64000 8634 0.786 ! Near Maximum !
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I have 1 22-250 that loves 40g nbts over Benchmark at 4200 fps. I sold a very clean 788 22-250 at the bouse gun show last year way too cheap. I didn't realize they are worth more than $300 now.
Bb That’s funny right there.
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Out of curiosity, what is your 4350 load? I am also sitting on a bunch of it.
Varget, 4064 are definitely my favorites over the years. Bee loading for it forever.
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I still have a M788 in .22-250 that I bought in 1974. Loads over the years have been 52 gr HPBT over IMR4895. Later I switched to 40 gr ballistic tips over IMR4895. My current load is 50 gr ballistic tips over IMR8208. All have been well under 1 MOA.
My primary target has been groundhogs.
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CFE223 is an excellent powder choice for the 22-250. My load of 38 grains CFE223 behind a Winchester 55 grain SL averages 3827 FPS in a 24" barrel
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I still have a M788 in .22-250 that I bought in 1974. Loads over the years have been 52 gr HPBT over IMR4895. Later I switched to 40 gr ballistic tips over IMR4895. My current load is 50 gr ballistic tips over IMR8208. All have been well under 1 MOA.
My primary target has been groundhogs. I got my first rifle, a Rem 788 in 22-250 in 1977. I hunted woodchucks with it every chance I got and still would if I could find a woodchuck in Pennsylvania… I still have the rifle only changing the scope. I hunted deer with it too until I got stupid and had to get a “deer” gun. Cripes, I shot a lot of deer with 50gr Sierras in front of 34gr of 3031 and never had to track a deer. Watched all but two drop in their tracks and “runners” were dead within 30 yards. Yeah, then I got a 308 to wound deer with… Not the 308’s fault but mine for thinking it was a deer slayer no matter where I hit them. I was a naive teenager. Anyways, as others are saying, 4350 is too slow and 4064 would be a better option.
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I dropped 35 grains o H4350 over Federal large rifle primers in Winchester cases and then seated those 55 grain Blitz Kings.
It’s been cold out so I only shot a couple so I could examine the cases.
Ben thinks I can push those 35 grain slugs around 4500 FPS.
I admit I’d get a kick outta seeing that on the chronograph, but when I load I’m usually trying to find one hole groups.
It’s been a long time since I’ve seen a 788 South of $600. They’ve become something of a collectors item, Probably because they’ve got a well earned reputation as good shooters.
I’ve been keeping my eyes open for one in .223, but I’m thinking I’ve got too many already.
No safe queens though. I like to make stuff go bang!
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