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Totally agree with the OP.


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Originally Posted by WhelenAway
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I can't hunt with wood stocked and blued rifles anymore.

I have several nice ones that have been beaten to hell. Scraped on trucks, tumbled down skree fields, scraped on blinds.

Those have been relegated to the back of the safe. It's synthetics for me. They are just meat collectors after all...

If they're already beat up, why not keep after it with them?

That's my thoughts too. That and I'm not going to live forever and I don't care how nice my firearms are for whoever ends up with them


I'm not surprised to see that others besides me don't understand your reluctance to hunt your wood stocked rifles.

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They are just meat collectors after all...


But this puzzles me even more.

I view rifles very differently than this, and I believe many others that post regularly on this forum do too.

Given your level of interest in them, I can't help but wonder why you even view and post here?




You can like and be interested in a lot of guns without really wanting to or having to own them. Or seeing your own as more than tools.


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Originally Posted by Dukester
So, why would you guys buy a Howa vs a Weatherby Vanguard? Of the few I have seen, the Vanguard seemed to be the better rifle, even though the actions are by Howa. Better fit, finish, stock, etc.


I’ve never seen any difference in the metal. The stocks aren’t my cup of tea on either one. I’d bet a nickel the newer Howa carbon fiber stocks and when they used Banser were light years ahead of anything Wby put on their Vanguards. Just what I see from my grid square.


I agree about the metal, as it's pretty much the same. I think the Hogue Howa stocks are too heavy and chunky, and the LOP is too long for my liking, especially when wearing a lot of clothes. I've put Vanguard stocks on Howa rifles, and it was at best, only a slight improvement. IMO the Alpine with the Banser stock was Howas best offering. The carbon fiber stocks should be a huge leap forward.

As far as the Mini Action goes, it needs to be offered with bottom metal and a trimmer, lighter weight stock.

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UN-Mini 22PPC AFI. Hint..............

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holy rusty bolt face.

whats velocity with 88's/90's?

swfa 5-20 are underrated. would love a 'tweener 4-16.

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22PPC AFI Mini/Maxi Tweener. Hint.

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I MUCH prefer the 2-12x Gen2 Lit Bitch to the 3-9x,as do everyone else that's seen one. Hint.

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Magnificent fhuqking chambering. Hint.....................


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god has spoken enough said!

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poopoo,

The only thing you Whining CLUELESS Brokedicks "shoot",are your mouths and Imaginations...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Now as Krunchentickers go,I'm a 22PPC AFI Slut there too,as opposed to it's .243" bore Kissin' Cousin,if only because I've multiples of each. Hint.

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Self Shuckin' 88 Smoochess,is a right proper Mind Fhuqk. Hint.

Just sayin'....................



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Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker
Howa has a big order from me….

I’ll pass along the goodness as soon as I get some in.



I'm in for a carbon 6arc!

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Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker
Howa has a big order from me….

I’ll pass along the goodness as soon as I get some in.


Howa Carbon Stalker 6.5 Grendel would nice. Wouldn't mind a sporter or heavy barrel 7.62x39 either.


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I ended up selling my TC Encore and a 45-70 barrel for $400. I gave the gun shop an extra $64 and I bought the Ruger RAR Compact with 18" barrel . I like the TC muzzle loader and I even liked the 45-70. The light 45 -70 barrel was so light it kicked like a horse so I rarely used it, and I dont use my inlines anymore cause I would rather shoot my TC Renegades and Hawkin. I put an old 34 yr old Leopold 4x12 on it . I thin it will be good.


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Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker
Howa has a big order from me….

I’ll pass along the goodness as soon as I get some in.


I would be interested in a mini dipped in Yote in the 6m ARC.

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Originally Posted by Big Stick
poopoo,

The only thing you Whining CLUELESS Brokedicks "shoot",are your mouths and Imaginations...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Now as Krunchentickers go,I'm a 22PPC AFI Slut there too,as opposed to it's .243" bore Kissin' Cousin,if only because I've multiples of each. Hint.

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Self Shuckin' 88 Smoochess,is a right proper Mind Fhuqk. Hint.

Just sayin'....................



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The scope market is what absolutely ticks me off. Not alot of options out there at each levell that doesn't have the gawdy open turrets and/or the calculus and geometry exam for a freaking reticle.

I like illumination, but geez, it seems like a plain plex, or circle plex get fewer and far between.


Edit to add: maybe I'm not the majority, but in southern middle tennessee, it's tough to shoot over 200 yds if your hunting, and open turrets aint made for thickets.

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Originally Posted by Dude270
Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker
Howa has a big order from me….

I’ll pass along the goodness as soon as I get some in.



I'm in for a carbon 6arc!

Same here



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Big Stick, is that a Helos BTR scope you are recommending? Recoil and bump roof so far?


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Originally Posted by Rockhound
The scope market is what absolutely ticks me off. Not alot of options out there at each levell that doesn't have the gawdy open turrets and/or the calculus and geometry exam for a freaking reticle.

I like illumination, but geez, it seems like a plain plex, or circle plex get fewer and far between.


Edit to add: maybe I'm not the majority, but in southern middle tennessee, it's tough to shoot over 200 yds if your hunting, and open turrets aint made for thickets.


I think you may find this interesting.
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Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker
Howa has a big order from me….

I’ll pass along the goodness as soon as I get some in.


Looking forward to this.

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Originally Posted by Rockhound
The scope market is what absolutely ticks me off. Not alot of options out there at each levell that doesn't have the gawdy open turrets and/or the calculus and geometry exam for a freaking reticle.

I like illumination, but geez, it seems like a plain plex, or circle plex get fewer and far between.


Edit to add: maybe I'm not the majority, but in southern middle tennessee, it's tough to shoot over 200 yds if your hunting, and open turrets aint made for thickets.


This. Between the used options and restocking, issues with blister pack, cheaply built, ugly rifles are easy enough to overcome. Given where prices have gone lately for well-built working man's durables such as Marlin 336s, Model 70s, Ruger 77s and Rem 700s or 7600s I'd say there's alot of guys who are either not interested in, or not trusting this new trend in rifles. Unfortunately the scope situation you refer is more difficult to overcome with the used market.

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