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Originally Posted by coyotewacker
Only bullet to use is Cutting Edge Bullets 130 gr. ESP Raptor with no tip....for deer best bullet made....wouldn't hesitate using it on a moose.....turns lungs into jello....

https://cuttingedgebullets.com/308-130gr-esp-raptor


They state 1-11" or faster twist. That would be a no go for the Winchester.

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You’re just going to piss off a grizzly if you start shooting it with a 30-30 in my opinion.


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I'm a fan of cast bullets and have learned to tailor the alloy and hardness to the intended velocity. I had custom HP jigs made to drill my cast bullets. That changed things a bit but I worked that out too.


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I’ve always been partial to the Remington fn when you could get them. Since them once used sierras with good results.

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I can't see wasting money on premium bullets for a .30-30 when plain old cup-n-cores work very well. Maybe if I were planning on shooting a moose with my .30-30 I'd spring for some partitions but for deer hell no.


I understand that, but where I hunt elk are on the menu in the timber and more and more prevalence of Grizzlies.



In your case I'd load the Barnes 150 TSX .if you can find any .


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Partitions won't work?


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Originally Posted by Bugger
You’re just going to piss off a grizzly if you start shooting it with a 30-30 in my opinion.


Why would anyone purposely shoot a grizzly with a 30-30 these days?

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Originally Posted by Bugger
You’re just going to piss off a grizzly if you start shooting it with a 30-30 in my opinion.

That depends 100% upon where you place those rounds.

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We use the Barnes 150 with 748 powder. Really makes this great cartridge shine.


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I have about 500 of the 150gr Barnes and 200 of the 170gr Nosler PT.

Great woods bullets in the 30-30 on up!


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Originally Posted by WTM45
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You’re just going to piss off a grizzly if you start shooting it with a 30-30 in my opinion.

That depends 100% upon where you place those rounds.

Sure and you can kill grizzly bears with 9mm pistols. Using a 30-30 on a grizzly would be an act of a desperate person. Just plain stupid otherwise.


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You’re just going to piss off a grizzly if you start shooting it with a 30-30 in my opinion.

That depends 100% upon where you place those rounds.

Sure and you can kill grizzly bears with 9mm pistols. Using a 30-30 on a grizzly would be an act of a desperate person. Just plain stupid otherwise.


Of course it would be an act of desperation, the man is not hunting bears he is hunting mule deer.

If bear defense is a requirement, I'd surely not trade the .30-30 for any sidearm.

Old Crab, stick with the Partition load. I have tested both the FTX and Partition, and I'd not give up the penetration and performance on game for a minor improvement in trajectory.


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I'd not give up the penetration and performance on game for a minor improvement in trajectory.


Exactly why I have not tried the gummy tipped bullets. My .30-30 and .45-70 are what they are.

I live with the trajectory limitations of both rounds when I use them. With proper bullets, they are very good at what they do.

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I have loaded the Speer 170 grain FP bullet for many years. My rifles like the load. Recently I loaded up 60 with that FTX bullet. It seems accurate, but I have not hunted with it yet.


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Best defense against a Grizzly is a climbable tree or a slow companion. I understand that unlike our black bears that Grizzlies don't climb . Git high and shoot him out from under the tree with whatever you have .


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This is funny. A griz can out run a race horse in 100 yards, and you are going to climb a tree and escape!!


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Originally Posted by Bugger
You’re just going to piss off a grizzly if you start shooting it with a 30-30 in my opinion.


Subject to debate. A lot of griz and moose have died from the lowly 30-30.

My walk-about is a '94. In brown bear country. They be bigger than griz. I haven't ever had to shoot a a griz or brown (with anything) , but it's done fine on on couple blacks (actually it was the 336, but still...). ..

30-30 has greater muzzle energy than a .44 Mag handgun, and is easier to shoot accurately, but a lot of people believe a .44 is the carry gun for bear. Could be, if it isn't leaning against a tree a few yards off, as a rifle might be. I'll stick with the '94.

My first moose was taken with a 336 at about 50 yards, 170 gr r.n. through both lungs and out...

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Best defense against a Grizzly is a climbable tree or a slow companion. I understand that unlike our black bears that Grizzlies don't climb . Git high and shoot him out from under the tree with whatever you have .


Don't believe everything you read.

There is a local up here who had a sow brown bear (griz's bigger brother) with cubs come up the tree at his black bear bait site. About 16' IIRC. The rifle muzzle was between his feet and inches from the bear's head when he touched her off. I guess she just jumped? smile. Black bear season was open, brown bear season not... and of course the cubs...so it was investigated.

Somewhere in the archives there is an account.

As WCH indicated - a griz/brown can go from 0 to 30 in 3 jumps - maybe 16 feet?

There are times a tree will work, depending mostly on the bear's distance and behavior, mostly, but many more when it won't. Like when there isn't a tree within miles... Even if one reaches the tree first and the bear stays on the ground, 10' up is as low as you better be - and that takes time, especially carrying a rifle up with you. If you do.

I also took my first deer with the '94, in 1966. Nothing since. I do have 2/ 1/2 boxes of FTX left to try out. They seem more accurate than the 150's and 170 C&C I have. Interestingly, they (160's ) print just over 2 inches higher than the 150's. If I try them on game at all, it will probably be caribou, out to 200 yards. I carry 170's for walk about. Or maybe I'll use the 150's on the caribou, if I get the chance.

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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
This is funny. A griz can out run a race horse in 100 yards, and you are going to climb a tree and escape!!

they don't climb as fast as they run. Last bear I killed was climbing up to my stand, but a .44 Mag to the brain took care of that.


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I can't see the need for partitions at 30-30 velocities. It's been awhile,but just about any semi jacketed flat point bullet in a170 gr with 3031 powder worked for me.


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You guys going after a grizzly with your 30-30’s crack me up. Just because it’s possible to kill a grizzly with a 9mm or a 30-30 doesn’t make sense to go out and try it. Sure if a grizzly came at me and I had a 30-30 I’d be shooting. Hopefully get it in the first shot.
How many well placed shots can a person get at a charging grizzly?

Hell, I’ve read were an Eskimo woman killed a polar bear with a 22LR.

Just because it has been done, does not mean is shows good sense to do it.

Tell others that it’s a great rifle for grizzlies, then live with yourself after they are dead or nearly dead.


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