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I feel for the people that live in the Ukraine but why should the United States get involved in another engagement that may end in American blood being spilled and nothing accomplished? biden will not commit to backing Putin down. No democrat and 99% of the republicans will either. I know of only one man that would or could at this point and he was cheated out of office. So why get involved?

I really have been paying ZERO attention to it. So I'm sure some here will be along to holler at me...

My feeling is.... we are not the world police... we don't need to get involved in every playground scuffle to try and play the hero role..

Our country is run by tyrants and thieves and is already trillions in debt.

Our young soldiers should battle for OUR Country and not the interests of rich politicians.


What does America have to gain if we go in?
More dead Americans?
More debt?
More weakened national security?
More pork barrel spending?

The only reason. We would get involved is if some kocksmoking politician has something to gain or hide..

Part of the reason for Putin's hostility is because the us Government has been courting Ukraine to join NATO. There are other reasons, but that don't help.

I'm all for friendship and trade with all nations, entangling alliances with none.

Ukraine can put up a heck of a fight,they have been preparing for this for a long time. Poland will ally with Ukraine and then NATO will jump in. Wonderful.

One of the things that the warmongers in D.C. don't seem to comprehend is that war with Russia means EVERYBODY DIES. This is not Afghanistan. This is not Iraq. This is not some piddly schidt backwards hole in the wall country that you can just invade with no fear of them invading you or doing much of anything to our country. This is a major world power with bunches and bunches of nucular weapons. And they probably have a lot fewer qualms about using them than we do.

NO!

Italy and France can handle this one.

Think of all the jobs (for politicians’ kids) that could be created, if we did something BIG in Ukraine!!!

We could have built a border wall or sent 20 million Americans to college ($2 trillion/$100k= 20 million) for the $2 trillion we’ve wasted recently in foreign countries.

We could’ve put solar, wind, and even drilled for a helluva lot of natural gas for that kind of money, as well.

How does China avoid getting sucked into this kind of garbage??

How “successfully” did we improve “human rights” in Vietnam/Irag/Afghanistan/Somalia/etc????


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...stan-iraq-wars-debt-6-trillion-interest/

http://www.debka.com/

Reported that the Russians had not included their medical teams and field hospitals in the big CinemaScope build up.
Busy elsewhere maybe, and not needed for chest pounding.

I pray that Ukraine becomes another Afghanistan for Putin. In regards to the plight of Ukraine, I care about them as much as I care about the Tutsi and Hutus.

Wishing both sides best wishes. Two grossly corrupt countries killing each other. Yawn.

Why worry about the Ukraine when most would be happy for them to take over California.

Sure are a lotta' hot Ukrainian chicks, seems like a good reason.

One thing's for sure though, I don't believe a damn thing .gov or the MSM is telling us.

From an historical viewpoint Ukraine regions have rarely been autonomous. Russia several times, Vikings, Hapsburg Dynasty, Moldavia, Polish kings...on and on. Pretty hard to make the case for defending a 'country', spilling blood and treasure, that has a language that is made from other countries, whose 'royal line' were from other royal families. To make the point, how would you feel about Minnesota asking the other states to go to war to defend it's autonomy? That it never had to begin with? Yeah, they talk funny, but it's based on English, they too are a little short on royalty. And above all, why does the Ukraine being ruled by whatever country...pose a clear and present danger to the US?
If you don't like that argument, how about, we haven't had a military victory since 1946...76 years, but who is counting? Vladimir and Joe (the man that put down Corn Pop) can go a few rounds...winner take all. But not my grandsons.

Getting involved directly with American troops, hell no!

Im done with war. I want nothing to do with that, nor do i want to go to war with russia. We need to sit on the side lines for a while and let the rest of the world put up or shut up

No

Trump wouldnt have faced the problem, because he has balls.

There is more to this than meets the eye. Zielinski has the goods on Biden and the money he and Hunter ripped off from Urhaine though kickbacks of US Foreign Aid proffered to save Ukraine from insolvency and line the pockets of people in the DNC.

Whats the chance of a US bomb taking Zelinski out in a FF event and the news being he was killed by Putin?

if I remember correctly.Back when USSR fell if I remember correctly that region contained lots of nuclear weapons and to get Ukraine to surrender these weapons the United States agreed to protect them per se don't remember all the exact details of such but there is that.

Its about time for some woke soldiers to die under woke commander’s watch.

If you're going to commit combatants to an action in Ukraine, you damn well better have a plan to provide bullets, beans and bandages to the troops. I don't believe for a minute that we could support and supply combat personnel in Ukraine. We have multi thousands of miles supply lines. Russia is right there. I can't imagine the losses we would take, just trying to get supplies to the troops, in a combat action against Russia in Ukraine.

Even if I wanted to engage the Russians in Ukraine, which I don't, I would be opposed for the reasons stated above.