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A recently retired Air Force neighbor says we're now out classed in the air by both the Chinese and Russians. One needs to control the airways before he can take the ground. Pilots in our training sessions against their technology are being shot down before even detecting the enemy. The trained ability to make crucial decisions absent guidance and control does not exist. Ditto on that. Every decision for our fighter pilots comes from ground command as well. Sort of like our police situations today. When seconds count, they can be here in minutes to hours. I bet our threatened economic sanctions really carry some weight. When was the last time one purchased anything fabricated by the Russians? You’ve got that backwards. Russian fighters are far more reliant on their GCI than our guys, Air Force or Navy. That’s one of the reasons so many countries send their student pilots here (US) for their training. They’ve seen how well our aviators have performed real world. It’s been the norm for decades. Damn right.
I am MAGA.
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Please. That article is complete and utter bullshit.
I have neither the time nor inclination to pick apart an article fawned over by losers who sleep under the very blanket of security provided for by our forces.
That said, in my humble opinion, the US should in no way get involved in combat, neither ground nor air, in a European conflict.
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We would get are ass kicked royally. What a pathetically, and profoundly, stupid statement.
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US Constitution, article 1, section 8 (in part)
1. Congress shall have the power to....
11. To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
12. To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
13. To provide and maintain a Navy;
14. To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
Every war we've had since WWII has been illegal because none have been declared by congress. Biden does not have the authority to send troops to the Ukraine. But will anyone take a stand to stop him? Highly unlikely.
RINOS approve this message.. Well.. maybe they would, if enough of them ever showed up to vote on anything.
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Vladimir Putin is the Adolf Hitler of 2022 and if he is allowed to invade Ukraine it will be analogous to Hitler's invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1938. And what does it matter to us? Why would we spend one dollar or lose one drop of blood? George Washington gave good advice "stay out of the affairs of Europe".
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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Why should we go to war to defend a corrupt dictatorship like Ukraine? Other than to protect Gibberish Joe's and Hunter's "investments" and keep the lid on their criminal douchebaggery? None. Zero. Nada. We have no favorable, compelling strategic reasons to do so.
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I do not want a peer to peer fight again in my lifetime, Joe Biden needs to shut his demented mouth and let Eastern European countries settle it
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ukraine is of zero relevance to us. the russians own the black sea. we would not own the airspace in a fight with russia (or china), it would be hotly contested. who in their right mind commits to a land war against russia on the steppes in winter? what rule states that a war fought on the russian border stays there? show me a conflict when the neocons have been correct. reinstate the draft, without student deferments, for all genders, with higher i.q. and income kids called first; sasha and malia obama can be #1 and #2.
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Why not let the Russians have Europe?
"Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." --Thomas Jefferson
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Uhhh....bullshit.
This smells like the Military Industrial complex fishing for a complement....and a Trillion dollars. Have heard this for decades, almost every time it's later learned we had abilities far beyond the Russians. Military command has 2 desires, more capability, A wealth building gig with a defense contractor. Pretty hard to get a flag officer to not play up the need for toys.
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I learned as a kid playing football in school that you better be WAY ahead before you start letting the forth-string guys play and that you lose ground really, really fast when you do.
I also learned that the rest of the team doesn't matter when the quarterback is an idiot.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
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when you count the number of times that Americans have fought and how many Americans died fighting in Europe for Europe,
i'd say some reciprocity was due.
Alongside the united nations, nato isnt giving back much in the way of benefit
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when you count the number of times that Americans have fought and how many Americans died fighting in Europe for Europe,
i'd say some reciprocity was due.
Alongside the united nations, nato isnt giving back much in the way of benefit If we started letting the Europeans fight their own battles, we'd see how fast their attitudes would change.
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Why should we go to war to defend a corrupt dictatorship like Ukraine? This is what ive been saying. We have zero business getting involved. Fugg ukraine
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when you count the number of times that Americans have fought and how many Americans died fighting in Europe for Europe,
i'd say some reciprocity was due.
Alongside the united nations, nato isnt giving back much in the way of benefit If we started letting the Europeans fight their own battles, we'd see how fast their attitudes would change. Outsourcing their Defense to the US has allowed them to pay for many of the progressive/social programs they "enjoy". If they totes the bill in dollars and people - the entire political and economic make up of Europe would be vastly different.
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And that article is crap. We already invest far too much into the corrupt military industrial complex. See that article and ones like it for what they are
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when you count the number of times that Americans have fought and how many Americans died fighting in Europe for Europe,
i'd say some reciprocity was due.
Alongside the united nations, nato isnt giving back much in the way of benefit If we started letting the Europeans fight their own battles, we'd see how fast their attitudes would change. Outsourcing their Defense to the US has allowed them to pay for many of the progressive/social programs they "enjoy". If they totes the bill in dollars and people - the entire political and economic make up of Europe would be vastly different. Agree there too!
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Spending one U.S. DOLLAR on Ukraine is crazy. The first shot fired would collapse our economy. We couldn't defeat the Afghans. They were almost stone age. Reckon Russia would mind bringing our power grid to a standstill?
What the hell does Ukraine matter to us?
I understand Joe Biden's interest in Ukraine. Millions of $$$ in bribes.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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Russia doesn’t have to fight European nations. Just shutdown the natural gas pipelines to them in winter or any other time.
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