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Originally Posted by Old_Crab
I have been using 170 grain Nosler partitions and like them.
(In both my win 94 and Marlin 336)

Nowadays, I see a lot of hype about the Hornady 160 grain FTX.

What are your thoughts on these two bullets for mule deer within 200 yards?

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I like the FTX in most instances. They have treated me right on deer and hogs in a few calibers, while flattening trajectory a bit when trying to get a bit more yardage out of an level gun.


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Originally Posted by Blackheart
I can't see wasting money on premium bullets for a .30-30 when plain old cup-n-cores work very well. Maybe if I were planning on shooting a moose with my .30-30 I'd spring for some partitions but for deer hell no.


I killed a Moose with 170 grain Silvertips. And they lost almost no weight. I don't know what I'd need Partitions for?

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Originally Posted by moosemike
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I can't see wasting money on premium bullets for a .30-30 when plain old cup-n-cores work very well. Maybe if I were planning on shooting a moose with my .30-30 I'd spring for some partitions but for deer hell no.


I killed a Moose with 170 grain Silvertips. And they lost almost no weight. I don't know what I'd need Partitions for?
I never shot a moose but I killed a bunch of deer with 170 grain silvertips. That was my favorite .30-30 load/bullet for many years.. I still curse the day the bean counters at Winchester saw fit to discontinue them.

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Those were my favorite, too.

Never a complaint from shooter or shootee. They just worked.

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Yup. Silvertips were my favorite for many years. I still have a box but I won't use them

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Originally Posted by Bugger


Tell others that it’s a great rifle for grizzlies, then live with yourself after they are dead or nearly dead.


Did someone say that? If so, I missed it. And I would then agree with you!


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I thought the? was about deer hunting, I like Speer's 130gr Hot Cor or Hornady's 135gr FTX in my 336.Loaded to around 2550 fps.


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Originally Posted by doubleDs55
I thought the? was about deer hunting, I like Speer's 130gr Hot Cor or Hornady's 135gr FTX in my 336.Loaded to around 2550 fps.



Curious if you killed any deer with those bullets? Curious on performance at those speeds.

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I thought the? was about deer hunting, I like Speer's 130gr Hot Cor or Hornady's 135gr FTX in my 336.Loaded to around 2550 fps.



Curious if you killed any deer with those bullets? Curious on performance at those speeds.

Yes several years now, very impressed. The 135 FTX works great also.


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Originally Posted by Tarbe
Originally Posted by Bugger


Tell others that it’s a great rifle for grizzlies, then live with yourself after they are dead or nearly dead.


Did someone say that? If so, I missed it. And I would then agree with you!


The only thing that is important evidently is where you hit the bear. Energy, velocity, caliber, bullet choice is no longer important.

If I were hunting in an area where there’s danger of being face to face with a grizzly mother and cubs I would choose something more, in my mind, suited for my own protection than a 30-30. I certainly would not like that possibility with any rifle. But I would carry with more authority than the 30-30.

In my first elk hunt near the Nez Pierce (sp?) pass near the Selway River I was watching an opening until dusk. When I turned to go back to camp I saw big bear tracks that came up close behind me. That near encounter changed my mind on a minimum elk rifle in that area. Also, while near the tree line in Colorado while scouting for elk we saw a grizzly - not near as close this time, but we wondered what we were doing there with no rifle at all.

Many of you that are around grizzlies more than I may feel different. But as for me I am well armed while in big bear in big bear country.

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When I went to hunt Cape Buffalo on purpose, I used a 450 Dakota.

Can you kill one with a 338? Sure. Is it "great" for Cape Buffalo? I don't think so.

Same deal for the 30-30 and Bear.

I bought hundreds of 150gr TSXFN for 30 cents each and if I ever hunted deer or elk in grizzly country with a 30-30, I'd be sure using the X bullet. Actually, I'd probably use my 300 or 375 H&H. smile


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I personally saw a pig that was shot with the Hornady 160 where the bullet entered in the front part of the right hindquarter and exited in front of the left shoulder. I wouldn’t believe it if I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes. I don’t know how it was possible unless the bullet failed to open up.

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For deer sized animals whichever of the above bullets shoots best and you can find will work. For bigger critters, NPT.

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You’re just going to piss off a grizzly if you start shooting it with a 30-30 in my opinion.

That depends 100% upon where you place those rounds.

Sure and you can kill grizzly bears with 9mm pistols. Using a 30-30 on a grizzly would be an act of a desperate person. Just plain stupid otherwise.


Guide I had in the Yukon, when I was hunting caribou, had a beat up 30-30 with 170 grain Remington core-lokts sitting in the corner of the cook cabin and used it (he said) on a few ornery grizzlies over the years said it killed them just fine…..like everything else depends on where you put the bullet.

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I have 2 30-30 's, a Marlin 336 and Win Mod 64, and most the deer I've killed have been with these rifles, just love em because also love hunting with iron sights.
All my deer have fallen to mostly Win PowerPoint and few to Rem CL, but I ran out in 2020.
I sure wish I had some the old Silvertips, believe they would be close to a PowerPoint in performance. What other 2 bullets have proved themselves any better than these 2 on all North American game, the Rem CL right with them!
I tried for ever to get Speer Hot Cor's, but couldn't get them because all the troubles. They're an outstanding bullet in the 30-30 I know by others, and in most any caliber.
So I went to Hawks, ordered 250 170gr FN, and on the door step in just over a month, right in the worse of times of early 2020!
I'd heard it for years "why waste money on a premium bullet for the 30-30 "? Finally come to my senses, especially nowadays, Why Not! And the kind of fine people and service I got from Hawk, that's probably all I'll use in my Mod 64 from now on! But I still have a decent supply of the Hornady 160 ftx for my Marlin. It shoots them so well I've learned, and a 160gr going 2325fps, is a dandy load. From what I've heard, I believe the ftx will work fine. I have no doubt the Hawks will!
But when I shoot at a fine animal, I want the best bullet I can get, regardless of caliber!

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I have had outstanding results with the 160 ftx in old 300 savage 99 s.

So it should be very useful in a 336 30/30


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Luckily, my hunting grounds for mule deer in the pine-covered hills of eastern Washington have no griz or browns!
Black bear and cougar are the predators you might run into, maybe….
The 170 grain partition out of a win94 will do just fine.

If I was in big-bear country, I would be packing my 06’ with a 200 grain partition traveling at 2,650 fps, not my 30-30😊


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Are the 150 grain silvertips good as the 170 in performance?.. mb


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I've been testing loads in my Mod 64 Win with the 160g ftx, and have settled on them now in that rifle and am more than pleased! 2,420fps with LVR Powder, very accurate, and near 300 Savage performance when looking at the Ballistics. The bullet is a proven performer on deer by too many people I've talked too.

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Originally Posted by Magnum_Bob
Are the 150 grain silvertips good as the 170 in performance?.. mb


You don't get the same penetration but they get plenty for Deer. I wouldn't want them on Elk or Moose

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